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« on: October 17, 2005, 18:09:26 »
I broke Big Blue yesterday.
I have a hole in the front axle, somethings burst out. Maybe a tooth or something
Does it sound like a diff or a half shaft's gone?
Look here to see the hole.
Also, whilst stuck i lost drive to the back wheels.
I dont remember any sound though.
Does this sound like my transfer box?
Or could it be something simpler
Any idea's??
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2005, 18:14:19 »
Quote from: "Jake"
I broke Big Blue yesterday.
I have a hole in the front axle, somethings burst out. Maybe a tooth or something
Does it sound like a diff or a half shaft's gone?
Look in my photos (slab common) to see the hole.
Also, whilst stuck i lost drive to the back wheels.
I dont remember any sound though.
Does this sound like my transfer box?
Or could it be something simpler
Any idea's??
 :?


looking at the hole - its gotta be the diff

not sure about the back end though
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2005, 18:19:29 »
Tried it with diff lock in?
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2005, 18:20:05 »
I had two pins let o which smashed the carrier and caused a similar hole. Well two of them actuallyl
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2005, 18:20:06 »
Yes, no drive.
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2005, 18:20:35 »
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I had two pins let o which smashed the carrier and caused a similar hole. Well two of them actuallyl


What are the pins?
(i'm no mechanic)
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2005, 18:21:27 »
could be the centre diff - try jacking up the back end of the motor and spinnin the wheels to check.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2005, 18:22:57 »
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could be the centre diff - try jacking up the back end of the motor and spinnin the wheels to check.


*excuse my ignorance*
What am i looking/listening for?
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2005, 18:27:32 »
with the back lifted you can spin the one rear wheel and see if the other rotates in the opposite direction - if it does then your rear diff is ok
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2005, 18:28:34 »
A friend of mine had this happen, turned out he had done BOTH diffs. His back one went first the extra strain made the front go as well.

Replacement back axel and another front diff.

You can weld the hole up when the diff is out.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2005, 18:31:59 »
Have a look here Jake,

http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/Wanderer/gallery/Diff%20damage

The pins are an integral part of the diff assembly. Mine parted company and went in the crown and pinion which then spat them out of the back of the diff. One at a time as I lost drive initially but got it back again. Then it went a second time.

With the hole in our front diff and then losing drive on the rear I'd think something else has let go as well. Centre diff or the rear diff.

Normally you'll get drive again with one diff having failed. Although it's not advisable to do much running in case the broken parts jam the damaged diff up completely.
Removing the prop and half shafts would make it safeish to drive.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2005, 18:35:27 »
A very useful tip - When welding the diff hole up - do it from the inside , not the outside.  easier to repair/ clean and see.
 

 and keep the amps down as diff pans are very thin - otherwise you 'll do what a mate done a blew a hole in the pan the size of a 2p piece when welding up a pin hole!
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2005, 18:39:11 »
Quote from: "davidlandy"
A very useful tip - When welding the diff hole up - do it from the inside , not the outside.  easier to repair/ clean and see.
 

 and keep the amps down as diff pans are very thin - otherwise you 'll do what a mate done a blew a hole in the pan the size of a 2p piece when welding up a pin hole!


cheers for the tip!!
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2005, 18:39:50 »
Also if you can try braising rather than mig/ark
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2005, 19:03:38 »
from the sound of it the front diff has jumped ship,when you weld it do it on the outside & fit a bit o flat bar bent round to give a bit more protection,

the back could be a shaft which takes all of 10 min to check by pullin the shafts if its not them could be the diff but as it hasnt made itself known it may be something in the Tbox,,


you have tried driving it with the difflock in eh jake??
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2005, 19:05:27 »
I try'd to drive it just after.
It would'nt move on flat ground with the diff lock on/off or high/low
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2005, 19:06:29 »
jake,can i give you a shout on ur mobby??
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2005, 19:41:40 »
Thanks for the call mate.
I'll be checking it all over soon.
Thank g*d for the Sodbury Sortout this Sat!!
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2005, 19:57:24 »
at least you broke it while having fun mate


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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2005, 19:59:50 »
No Mike
Kate was driving when it got stuck and had a go at un-sticking it.
Bang!!
I drove for 30 secs before i killed it.
We were only on the site for 20mins before it died.  :lol:
Oh well , never mind :roll:
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2005, 20:26:21 »
Re the loss of drive at the back, Jake - have a read of my story http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=9790&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=half+shaft&start=90

I'm sure it was more than 20 minutes .... about 30 I reckon :lol:
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2005, 20:34:04 »
oh thats not good


and you have one of the messiest jobs agead of you

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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2005, 20:44:09 »
Not to worry Jake...  time for a set of ARBs and some nice halfshafts ;-)
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2005, 20:50:48 »
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time for a set of ARBs and some nice halfshafts ;-)


Dont say that Tim, their on my wish list.
Hang on, Is this the Devon 4x4 sales talk coming out?
Come on then, how much?
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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2005, 20:52:17 »
I bet there wont be much (if any) change from £2k

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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2005, 20:54:44 »
I suppose i could ask my Mum and Dad to bring me a pair of ARB's over.
Half price in the States
(They live in San Diego, USA)
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2005, 20:55:53 »
I think £2K is a bit on the high side  8)
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2005, 20:56:27 »
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I think £2K is a bit on the high side  8)


So what do you know Tim?
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2005, 20:56:29 »
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I bet there wont be much (if any) change from £2k

ouch!

We really need a "laughing and then falling over" Emoticon, 'cos I so would have used a few right here :lol:
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2005, 21:01:30 »
Theres a man on ebay doing them for £650 for one with the compressor.

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