Out on the pull

[defuzz]

hehehehe

anyway, need to fit some recovery points on the front of my disco.

This month's LRO mag had a variety of points, from jate rings to swivel eyes which bolt on to a bumper.


Are there any "bolt on to bumper" eyes out there suitable for a standard disco bumper? or is the bumper too flimsy? ( I Like the look of bumper mounted eyes rather than jate rings).


On the other hand I also came across somewhere selling chassis mountable points which look like the recovery points on some steering guards (but without the guard part) eg bolts on to chassis in same two places as steering guard with an eye protruding from the front.

Anyone used these? and are they any good?

[gords]

I would so not recommend putting "add-on" recovery points onto a standard Disco bumper :shock:  I think Scorpion do them for Defenders, but I think those bumpers are more up to it.

Either get a steering guard with recovery points, or Scorpion (and possibly others) sell "RECOVERY POINTS WITH BUILT IN
HI-LIFT JACKING POINT", which look like the side bits of a steering guard

The problem with Jate rings is they mount a long way back - ask Jake & Kate how easy they are to get to when you're stuck somewhere muddy :lol:

Of course, you could always get yourself a nice new uprated bumper with recovery and jacking points

[Jake]

The problem with Jate rings is they mount a long way back - ask Jake & Kate how easy they are to get to when you're stuck somewhere muddy :lol:

Oh yes!!
A nightmare  
Hence the solid rear bumper which is now ordered.
 

[defuzz]

I'm OK at the rear as I've got a tow bar its the front I need them but can't afford a new steering guard or bumper.

[Eeyore]

The swivelly* Scorpion ones aren't attached to the bumper, but to the chassis legs that support the bumper.

Please don't use a standard Defender or Disco bumper for recovery - it will hurt. Lots.......

cheers
 8)
Eeyore


*Isn't that in Cornwall?  :-s

[Wanderer]

It's worth remembering that when someone is pulling you out they will prefer to use their equipment.

So the best thng to do is make sure that you have got a recovery point worthy of the job.

Things like tow bars can cause damage to the equipment being used and the last thing you need when recovering someone is an equipment failure.

Towbars and the like have sharp edges and are designed for a straight pull. In an ideal world you should have a pair of points on each end of the vehicle to spread the load.

[ChrisW]

I just bought a pair of these off ebay arrived Saturday morning while we were down at the Halloween Howler  :D

They look pretty good quality, c/w high tensile bolts - seems like a good price for £20 all in for the two.

[Henry Webster]

Are there any "bolt on to bumper" eyes out there suitable for a standard disco bumper? or is the bumper too flimsy? ( I Like the look of bumper mounted eyes rather than jate rings).

Take a look at this photo from Mudder M Thomas http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/M%20Thomas/gallery/hillday2/1/c87b96c380d609d3b86c09410bb0e2d4.jpg/ to see an example of just how strong a standard bumper is - might as well be made of cheese! :lol: This is what we did to ours on the Hillrally!

On the other hand I also came across somewhere selling chassis mountable points which look like the recovery points on some steering guards (but without the guard part) eg bolts on to chassis in same two places as steering guard with an eye protruding from the front.

Anyone used these? and are they any good?

I've got a set of these from 'Terrain Master' on my 'road' Discovery.  They seem to be a good piece of kit and provide nice strong hi-lift jacking points as well as very secure tow points and some steering protection.  You can mount a steering guard to them as well, though I haven't bothered.

H

[drmike]

It's worth remembering that when someone is pulling you out they will prefer to use their equipment.

So the best thng to do is make sure that you have got a recovery point worthy of the job.

Things like tow bars can cause damage to the equipment being used and the last thing you need when recovering someone is an equipment failure.

Are you including a tow ball as opposed to bar in this? How much damage would a tow ball do to a rope or strap?

I have to say I've always used a large spreader plate in 6mm steel behind the tow ball on the front bumper on both series and 90 bumpres and not had any issues.

There was quite a comprehensive article in the AWDC magazine just that went over recovery points. It's quite interesting to see what people consider to be safe and what not.

Mike

[Wanderer]

I've got to say that I take each case on its merits as to what kit I'd use on any particular recovery but the point I was trying to make was that no one wants to damage their kit or damage anyone else in the process.

So I'd say that there might be cases where I'd be happy to pull somone out using their tow ball (as opposed to wrapping a strap around their towbar) as long as they weren't too well stuck. A towbar isn't designed to be used to pull out heavy vehicle with gloop effect into the bargain.

I've seen Discovery/Range Rover towbars that have been wrecked in the process of getting stuck along with recovery. There's only small bolts holding the stays.

FWIW I use a swivel on a Scorpion recovery bumper for the rear along with a BRB bumper with recovery shackles on the front. Both are in most cases out of the mud and neither get the rope (if it's already attached) in a position where it can get damaged when it gets caught between the vehicle and rocks etc as is the case with most jate rings when people put the strap/rope on before they go out.

IMHO safety has to be paramount when your recovering someone.

[Bush Tucker Man]

On the other hand I also came across somewhere selling chassis mountable points which look like the recovery points on some steering guards (but without the guard part) eg bolts on to chassis in same two places as steering guard with an eye protruding from the front.

Anyone used these? and are they any good?

'Defuzz', this description sounds suspiciously like 'JackMates', as sold by David Bowyer
Sadly, in a quick browse, I can't see them on the listings, so you may have to contact him directly.

I've got a set fitted & they're certainly a bit on the heavy-duty side.

[dracula]

Defuzz,
I've got "Jackmates" on the front of mine.
If you're still going on the 13th, I'll see you there and you can
have a look.
http://www.firstfouroffroad.co.uk/ also sell them

[defuzz]

yup the jackmates are what I was thinking of, bloomin' pricey though.....

Lots of sites I've read say Jate Rings are just for the front, whats that about????

[Dave]

On the other hand I also came across somewhere selling chassis mountable points which look like the recovery points on some steering guards (but without the guard part) eg bolts on to chassis in same two places as steering guard with an eye protruding from the front.

Anyone used these? and are they any good?[/quote]

 I made mine, but they are very good