Spring question

[Digsit]

I've read some old threads but cant find any answers to my question so.......

I've seen mm4x4 and paddocks are doing 2" springs and shocks for £230.00 ish a set. mm4x4 are offering blue springs and Paddocks are doing Britpart yellow ones.

Any clues as to which ones are better/worse. Are there different ratings for these? I use her for towing the caravan as well as off road stuff.

All advice/comments gratefully received

[Mace]

Cliff, I can only speak from my own experience and that is, I have the paddocks/britpart yellow springs. They were cheap and certainly a vast improvement on the old ones. That said if the old ones were knackered then anything would be an improvement. I went for +1" on the front and +1.5" on the back. With the propcomp shocks it's a great BUDGET package. Handles well on and off tarmac, absorbs cobbles and the like very well, and I've nothing to complain about off-road.

Last week I towed our caravan up to North Yorks, spent 2 days off-roading around Langdale and towed the 200 miles home again. My only conclusion was with all the load it could have done with slightly stiffer rear springs so with hindsight I should have bought +2" for the back.

Thumbs up from me :-)

P.S. mine are 200lbs front and 220lbs rear.

[Digsit]

Thanks for that Mace :D

What is swinging me towards the MM4x4 deal is that they give you a choice of Procomp or DeCarbon shocks for the same price. Everyone else wants a good chunk more if you want DeCarbon (+ £100 at Paddocks :shock: ).
Do you think they would be selling a 'lesser' quality spring to allow for the difference :? (or am I just too cynical)

[muddysteve]

i had the mm4x4 2" kit on thew disco - more like 1" nd once i fitted the bumpers sills etc they sagged even more, the rear end struggled the most


the best budjet set up i found was with pro comp shocks and bearmach springs but even they needed upgrading to cope with the bolt ons and gave quite a harsh ride

the rangie's fitted with all old man emu stuff and its the dog dangly bits, nice firm ride no wallow but really smooth over the ruff stuff

my advice if its your every day car would be to save up for the OME stuff as i'm not too convinced on the mm4x4 springs

Steve

[Digsit]

What would I be looking at for the OME springs shocks. Is anyone doing a good deal? I see Mark at Discoparts sells em :twisted:

[muddysteve]

the recipt i got with the rangie

1pr 751  OME springs £110
1pr 764  OME springs £110
1pr N115 OME shock absorbers £130
1pr N46 OME shock absorbers£130

came to £580 inc VAT n carraige  :shock:

so in a word not cheap though this was back in 2003 so might have come down since

Steve

[thermidorthelobster]

I think I paid around £450 for OME including the steering damper.  Mine was from Devon 4x4.

[fram]

We've got the +2" "kit" from Paddocks. Haven't got it fitted yet, it's sitting in our hall in boxes at the moment!!!
Not only do you get the springs and shocks, which as you say are around £230, you also get extended brake hoses and poly bump stops, dislocation cones and HD spring retainers, all for £350. The kit isn't on their on line shop though, but it is in their adverts in the mags. Looks a realy good bit of kit.

[J B]

im running with the procomp es9000 shockers and +2" britpart yellow seprings, it all works very well in all situations, good firm ride on the road with little body roll, and great off road

at the price i'd suggest it cant be beat 8)

[jono]

I've seen mm4x4 and paddocks are doing 2" springs and shocks for £230.00 ish a set. mm4x4 are offering blue springs and Paddocks are doing Britpart yellow ones.

FYI, I bought the 2" kit from MM4x4 thinking I was getting blue springs and I got yellow. No complaints however as I have to say it is such an improvement, both on and off-road.

[Muddyblue]

Tufftoys at Melton do / did at Malvern show , the 2" Blue Brit-part springs and pro-comp shocks , about the same price as paddocks ,I did break a weld point on a shock in Belgium , bounced abit coming home but replaced under warranty,a bad batch maybe ? otherwise no complaints .

[Leigh]

I'm planning to put a lift on my Disco, the Paddock's kit for £350 is the one I'll be going for. Looks like a great deal.

By the way, what is the difference between Procomp and Decarbon?

[jono]

One is white and the others orange. :D

I asked the same question at the time and the general consensus was that everyone seemed to have a prefrence, but nobody could actually give a difference.

[muddyweb]

I did break a weld point on a shock in Belgium...   a bad batch maybe ? otherwise no complaints .

It seems to be a fairly common failure on the Pro-Comps.. they seem to have a tendancy to snap off at the ends.

So far <touch birmabright> mine have been OK though.

[Xtremeteam]

ive since discovered with the procomps is if you beat & abuse them they are fine but when i fitted them to my road 90 after my great experiance of them on the racer i broke the same shock twice within 4 days

[muddyweb]

To be fair to Pro Comp, a lot of the failures are caused by people doing things to the dampers that they weren't designed to do... mostly down to poor overall 'system' design of the suspension.  (taking into account the effects of travel, axle limit, etc.)

[Timi]

Oi Steve where did you get that avatar from that is not your car!!!
Timi :)

[jimbob]

I Just brought the MM4x4 kit also thinking i was gettin blue springs, but got yellow.
Had a kit from them before (blue springs & Pro comps) on my Disco. Had no complaints with it. Only problem i had was also snapping a rear shock.

[muddysteve]

Oi Steve where did you get that avatar from that is not your car!!!
Timi :)

that would be telling

mine will look like that one day, i'll get some pics of mine once its had a wash and all the goodies are bolted on

Steve

[gords]

once its had a wash

What's the matter with you man? :shock:  Wash indeed :roll:  

[discov8]

I have a lot of protection and winch on my Disco and find the +2" std yellow and blue springs not stiff enough.

I've got plus 3"progressive rated springs at  240lbs front and 350 lbs rear.  I use Oram dampers.

This considers the permanent fittings on the front end, winch and winch bumper, steering protection etc.  With the vehicle laden or unladen.

The rear end unladen has approx 50kgs over std plus another 100kgs laden with bits in the back for a full weekends off roading when you carry recovery gear, tools and spares.

Also the higher you go the potential for more body roll.

A post above mentions for towing a plus 2" would have been better, no a higher rated spring would be better.  This would keep the vehicle more level and improve the steering when towing a heavy load.

[Range Rover Blues]

OOUr car has +2" springs all round, I don't know who made them but they are blue :roll:

Anyway, I've replaced all the shocks and have Procomp on the rear but I fancied trying DeCarbon on the front.  They seem very similar if a little harder, they certainly don't justify the extra cost even without the lifetime warranty from Explorer on the ProComp.  Thats's what I'll fit in future.

BTW I had the car weighed recently, It's some 400kg over weight, which might explain why it doesn't look +2" any more.

[chuggaman]

i bought an mm4x4 3 inch lift kit

i got bearmach (blue)springs and procomp +2 shocks

if you add more weight to the disco
(winch bumpers and the likes of)
then you may end up putting spacers on too

rememberthe disco is a heavy old truck

with spacers under the springs i must say everything is much better for me

mike

[kaney]

I've just got a 1994 disco which has been pampered and needs to be kitted up for off rd, I am thinking of using Ironman 2" lift, whats your thoughts.(from west coast 4x4)

[LCW11]

THIS IS A GREAT POST, But im even more confused now :?  :lol:  looking for  2'' lift will only be fitting a scorpion racing style front bumper , steering gaurd / bash plate prob. will not bother with a winch,  :lol:
i am guessing 225x75x16 MT's. , i willalso fit a aftermarket rear bumper as well for recovery purposes..

Cheers LEE

ANY ONE GOT ANY USED STUFF FOR SALE....CHEERS LEE

[seph234]

ive got bearmach +2" blue springs and they seem ok but my uncle has the scorpion springs on his 90 the orange ones i think they are progressive one's and they seem a lot better than mine but i spose you get what you pay for. i think just the scorpion front springs on there own are over a hundred quid.  joe