Cones

[Dave]

Has any one got pics of how dislocating cones fit. How they sit inside the spring and on the top. Basically how they are held in place. Cheers.

[Littledan]

dave,

the cones sit in the top ring, the cone sits below it and there is a big washer sorta thing and then there is a bolt that goes through the washer and in the middle of the cone

like pic below

hope it helps :D

[Dave]

Thanks Dan i just carn't get my head around why the cone will not go up. I take it that the bottom of the spring holder is smaller than the cone

[Littledan]

Thanks Dan i just carn't get my head around why the cone will not go up. I take it that the bottom of the spring holder is smaller than the cone

no problem mate.

the spring slips over the cone so the cone is held in one place by the bolt the cone is smaller that the spring so the spring can move smoothly on and off the cone,

if u send me a PM i will post some pics i have just took of dads so u get a better idea :D

dan

[discodj]

Hi dave its Derrick at lrs 110 springs have a bigger internal diameter so the rear cones are of diffrent sizes make sure you have the correct ones

[muddyweb]

SOmething like this when fitted :

[Dave]

Thanks Derrick i have not got any yet looking to make some, bit of a project.

[wizard]

I have just made a set, the cone is on the bottom, part of the bottom spring seat.
The sping is then clamped in place on the top.
seems to work well.

wizard :twisted:

[Wanderer]

Now that's called thinking outside the box.....

[littlepow]

Why are they called dislocation cones, when there sole duty is to help spring relocation.

Also is there any reason why the spring is always attached to the axle and not the vehicle?

As having the cone on the axle and the sping on the vehicle seems to make more sense to me.

[muddyweb]

Why are they called dislocation cones, when there sole duty is to help spring relocation.

<cheer> <clap> <cheer>

Also is there any reason why the spring is always attached to the axle and not the vehicle?
As having the cone on the axle and the sping on the vehicle seems to make more sense to me.

Just my personal view, but I think there is less likelyhood of the spring being displaced and missing the locating cone at the top than at the bottom when you are dragging your axles through the mud.

[Wanderer]

Why are they called dislocation cones, when there sole duty is to help spring relocation.

Also is there any reason why the spring is always attached to the axle and not the vehicle?

As having the cone on the axle and the sping on the vehicle seems to make more sense to me.

Shhhhhhh!

Now you've done it.....

:)

[chuggaman]

tim maybe you should add "dislocation cones" to the expletive deleted list



 

mike

[muddyweb]

I actually think there is also an element of 'because that is where they have always been'

Gon2Far started showing a system with the springs on the chassis at the start of this year, which probably made people start to question it.

[muddyweb]

tim maybe you should add "dislocation cones" to the expletive deleted list

<giggle>   Do you think that would be an abuse of power :-)

Maybe I could just get the system to swap 'dislocation' with 'relocation'   8)

[Bulli]

I have been told that they relocate better on the bottom. I personally have scorpion ones and they work really well. I wouldnt want to be without them or you find yourself using the hilift to pop them back....not good.
The bottom ones have been around for a while and you are right they are on the gon 2 far system.....have a look on here for a similar idea but the yanks dont often do cones they do some weird stuff instead!
http://www.safarigard.com/

hit products ...look at that ford!

[Mace]

Maybe I could just get the system to swap 'dislocation' with 'relocation'   8)

Go on, I dare you  :lol:

[davidlandy]

sorry, but I just cant resist this.......

Call them what you like, but they still do little for traction - they just save you having to put the spring back.


 

[Thrasher]

Call them what you like, but they still do little for traction - they just save you having to put the spring back.

YAY!

/me cheers

FINALLY...someone understands :-)

[Mace]

OK guys, I can't resist this either (by the way I'm laughing)....

Why is it that everyone who states cones do nothing to aid traction have either LSD's or Lockers ?

And yes I do get your point that "it's not the actual cone that gives you traction"  blah, blah humbug

[Thrasher]

Er.....

Lost : The plot.

If found please return to Mace.

What the HELL has a relocation cone got to do with traction?

[davidlandy]

Andy,  

me laffing too ;-)

but seriously I would have said that about cones even if i didnt have a locker. I have had an LR without one for a long time you know!

In answer to Neils question, a cone could help traction if it happened to fall off and get trapped under the tyre I suppose!

I love this topic!

 

[wizard]

What the HELL has a relocation cone got to do with traction?

I was thinking the same thing....
The only thing a RELOCATION cone does is what it says on the tin.
They save you from kicking the bloody spring back into place.
Thats the only reason i fitted mine

Photo to follow.

regards
wizard :twisted:

[Hightower]

Just as an aside, does anybody do these for a Series 2 Disco?
Having popped a spring a couple of months back, it would save the hassle of trying to put the darn thing back in when it happens again.
Tim, would that one in the D44 pic fit?

[Thrasher]

What about some sort of super duper magnet....or....hang the expense..a jubilee clip!!!

<grin>

[wizard]

Jubilee clip... how common... :shock:

wizard

[Hightower]

..a jubilee clip!!!

You're just so common, aren't you?
:tongue:

[Mace]

Tim made a point the other day about commenting on HIS own experience. I can only do the same.

I will try and explain my thoughts...

Dislocation cones are designed to relocate your springs when they have popped out.
My springs pop out because I do not have long travel springs but I do have +2" shocks.
I bought long travel shocks because I wanted more articulation.
I want more articulation to keep my wheels on the ground.
I want to Keep my wheels on the ground so I *might* get more traction.
I want more traction because I can't afford an LSD or a Locker.

My six points above are a whole package. They interlink. This package cost me £265.00.

Your whole point about it not actually being the cone which gives you traction is correct and always was correct. I've never argued with that. What I am and always will argue about is the fact that those of us who have cones fitted, have bought them to aid traction (as a package). I can't have more articulation without allowing my spring to dislocate. The two things are linked. Why would I allow my springs to disclocate and then not seat properly again? What I object to is being told I am wrong for making my decision. I enjoy having 9" of air between my spring top and spring seat, safe in the knowledge that 9" of air *might* just help me gain traction under certain circumstances.

I cannot agree more that under YOUR circumstances Thrasher, cones would have no benefit, but as far as I'm concerned with my set up they work. I bought cones to help with my overall battle with traction, at a price. If my budget had been different then perhaps cones would not have been necessary. All that said, spending £500+ per axle on traction control accessories is not within my scope at the moment. I'd rather spend £30 on cones and practise my technique.

For me cones are part of my traction package. Simple.

And yes Dave, I do enjoy this topic too !

[Thrasher]

...and so it goes around again. Disclocating a wheel does NOT aid traction to a great extent, especially if you have shorter springs?!

£500 per axle? That's expensive. I paid £350 for a pair of tru-tracs. You just have to know where to look :-)

[Mace]

£500 per axle? That's expensive. I paid £350 for a pair of tru-tracs. You just have to know where to look :-)

...arrogant man