Help - Cutting Out

[Siecroz]

MY FRONTY's Poorly   :(bigcry):

I was on my way into work this morning... dropped off the wee man at his Mum's house... when I came out and started the Fronty.,.., 3 Attempts before it chugged into life.

Then I was coming DOWNHILL towards some traffic lights on Red, and as I changed down to second the engine simply cut out! :(

Also when it is iddling, it seems to drop revs. It usually idles at about 750rpm.. which I am led to believe is normal.. but ever 10 seconds or so it drops to almost stall.

There's fuel in it. Oils ok, Water's ok, Oil isn't Milky that I can see.. doesn't seem to be any oil in the water either.

Oh... it's only been happening since that cold snap yesterday morning.  

Could it be glow plugs need replacing?


Idea's on a POST .. not a card please

Thanks in advance

Sie

[TimM]

From the title of the thread, first I thought you wanted a responsible adult to help you with some scissors  :oops:

Does your Funtera have the same problems once it's warmed up? i.e. when the glow plugs have stopped functioning.

I've always found with diesel engines that once they are runnign they are fine, if you don't leave your plugs to heat (on some engines) then you will have problems - but once they are going you should be OK.

I would wonder if you have an electrical problem possibly due to condensation..... but the answer to my first question might reveal a little more  

[Siecroz]

It had been running a good ten minutes before cutting out... Its only a short run to work (bout 15 minutes through town centre. I am getting a bike when finances allow.)

 

[TimM]

If it had been running for 10 minutes then I definately would think it was your Glow Plugs, they would have stopped working ages ago (they are onlt really for starting the engine - not keeping it running).

Does your engine heat up, i.e. does the temperature guage increase.

(I'm wondering if for some reason your engine is not getting warmed up properly)

I would still think it is an electrical problem of some form, or possibly blocked fuel filters not allowing a smooth run of Diesel through, plenty whilst the engine is sucking, but when idleing (or between gear changes) not 'sucking' enough through.

Might be worth a try, you should replace the filters 'regularly' anyway and they won't be expensive (cheaper than if it is an electrical fault).

Don't ask me where they are though......

[dazzawhipple]

It might be the stop solinoid wire breaking down.....

[Jas278]

Nothing todo with the glow plugs ,once the engine is started they become redundent,sounds to me like a fuel fault,have changed the filter recently is there a water drain in the fuel line,try changing the fuel filter cheapest options first.

[Siecroz]

Hmmm... I might try the Fuel Filter... I know where that is. I did also wonder about the fuel, as when I got to about 3000 revs in third it struggled to do much more.. started jerking..  hmmm... time to give a parts dealer a ring for a fuel filter then ... worth a try.

Thanks

[Siecroz]

Right... Ordered a replacement fuel filter from Vauxhall. £8.40 + vat. Worth a Try at that price. The Mrs is picking it up for me today.. so guess what I'll be doing tonight :)

Anyone have any idea's if there are additives that I can put in the Diesel Tank to give the system a clean?? (first Diesel I've owned)

Thanks

[Hightower]

Anyone have any idea's if there are additives that I can put in the Diesel Tank to give the system a clean?? (first Diesel I've owned)

I use an additive made by Millers in mine.  Buy it from discoparts.co.uk mail order.

[TimM]

You'll hopefully find that most of the 'rubbish' in your tank etc has ended up in your filter.

You can run through some injector cleaner etc as an additive such as Redex diesel treatment available at all good car parts shops or halfrauds.

If you haven't tried this before, it might not be a bad idea to run some through to clean everything up, I personally wouldn't recommend additing it to every tankfull though (as the instructions and some people will tell you), I've never seen the point.

 :D

[ian_s]

it sounds to me like either you are getting air in the fuel system, or a lack of fuel pressure.
if you get air in, you normally get diesel out, so check for puddles of it on the floor
the fuel pressure could be down to the filter, or a faulty lift pump. (if the vauxhalls have such a thing

[Siecroz]

OK... changed the Fuel Filter (in was Minging.. all rusty on the inside and full of crap)... Bled air out and the fuel through... wiped all the part from any Diesel that got past the tin and rags... Fired her up without the head rods as suggested..

chug.. vroom.... 2 mins ..... chug spluter .. and cut out again :(

Repeated the bleed proceedure a couple of times.. still nothing.

THEN... I noticed fuel coming out by one of the fuel injectors!! (couldn't determine as in poor light if it was from the "Leak Pipe" or from around the base of the injector.

Does anyone know if the injector is blocked, would that cause fuel to back up through the Leak Pipe and allow air into the System??

[hobbit]

Have you cracked the injector pipe off the injector and checked the pulse of fuel coming out.

Normally with an injector if the nozzle is blocked the fuel will still flow past and round the leak off pipe which it does anyway

With all the muck in the fuel system, could the fuel be contanimated, normally its just rust from the tank, but two other options are has someone put something in the tank, or is water getting into the fuel

You may have to pop the injectors and get them serviced, if the break off pressure is out that will cause problems, also if the nozzles are blocked will cause probs too, especially if some contanimation has got though the dirty filter

[Jas278]

Some vauxhalls suffer from air in the system if the fuel leak off pipe leaks ,rectify this, get it running and try it down the road,there may still be air in the system.

[Siecroz]

Some vauxhalls suffer from air in the system if the fuel leak off pipe leaks ,rectify this, get it running and try it down the road,there may still be air in the system.

Worth a Try... ordered one in from Vauxhall to collect tomorrow.. only a couple of quid. I thought thats where it might be coming from and would explain why air is getting in after a couple of minutes.. blumin winter weather means I am using an inspection light outside the house on the road. Not the most comfortable place to be taking your engine to bits... but beats being in a mud hole I suppose :)

Heres hoping [-o<

Thanks again Jas