Def 110 Suspenion lift, how much can I go?

[Greenlanekit]

MOT is looming next week, need new shocks so may just do the lot, my local garage has suggested 1" lift for best results, any ideas?

1? 1.5? 2"? and what do i need to change, radius arms, brake lines?

The vehicle is exmil 110, will have winch on the front and be used for touring, will get a roof rack, little hard core off-roading but, tough greenlane etc.

Scorpion racing are suggesting 1" at £340, with Decarbon shocks, seems OK, other kits at £240 ish with ES9000

[drum]

My 110 is a TD5, which has a 2" Lift, although right from the start the back looked like more than that. Also when I then put the winch on the front, I had to put spacers on the front as it sagged right down again. I also have 35" tyres on it  :D

At the time I did shockers and Springs. On an earlier 110 you may well need to do the brake lines at the same time. If you not sure do them  :D

You will then find it's a bit twitchy compared to what your used to. I hoping to cure this with new radius arms, which are sati n the Garage and one day soon will be fitted.


I also did the rear arms, as I was mashing up the bushes

[Porny]

What's the fascination with lifting a Landy???

I'd personally go standard height, but heavy duty all round.

No insurance implications, no steering geometry change, no extended brake lines needed (though with 1" not always needed), no excessive bush wear.....

Your Landy, when you've fitted the roof rack will have a higher than standard CoG (centre of gravity) why make it higher??? - And make it easier to roll.

The only time you need a suspension lift is if you're fitting larger than standard tyres (can go quite big before you need a lift).

Another way to look at it....

Take the Camel Trophy, the 110's used went to more extreme places than most people will ever venture... yet the only mod to the suspension was the use of HD springs and shocks.

Same for the G4 Defenders...


Obviously this is only my opinion....others may have different views.

If your spings and shocks are a bit knackered, HD springs will probably give you a 1" lift over what you've already got (if not a bit more if your springs are really shot)

Damper wise.... in all honesty new standard shocks aren't bad, but if you want to spend a bit more, I was always impressed with the DeCarbon shocks I had on my 90"... The Procomp shocks my brothers got on his disco seem ok too.

Other good makes are GAZ, Koni and Bilstein... but price goes up!!!


Ian

[Budgie]

There have been a couple of members on here with Discos that have got raised springs from Scorpion and they have said that they sagged at the front when a winch was added, even though they were the correct rating.
I'm not saying this is the same with all of Scorpion's spring, I have a set on our Rangie and that sits fine, but there's no winch on it.  

OME or King springs are a bit more money but you can get them rated to cope with any extra equipment you want to/have fitted.

Like Ian says, why do you want to lift the suspension?
If I were doing it and didn't plan of tyres larger that 235x85's then H/D springs and a set of Procomp ES9000 gas shocks would give better handling and load carrying qualities than you have now and give you a little raise into the bargin.  

[drmike]

I'm with Porny (which doesn't sound too good really) why have a lift at all? I thought the 110 was designed to take quite heavy loads so even HD springs might not be required.

My 90 came with a nominal +2" lift which I removed and it made everything work so much better and felt so much more sure footed. I did fit green stripe springs to the rear which might be +1" I'm not sure but they are softer as I don't need the load carrying ability and do want a nice flexible rear end for trials.

As always IMHO and YMMV!

Mike

[Porny]

I thought the 110 was designed to take quite heavy loads so even HD springs might not be required.

But with the weight of the winch, the proposed roofrack and all the kit carried around HD would probably be worth while.

Is the 110" a CSW or a Plain Hardtop or pickup??

CSW has different springs to the rest of the range beacuse it is fitted with a self leveler unit (pre 2002 ish)...

CSW have softer rear spings as standard, and the rest of the range is already fitted with what is classes at the HD spring....

But a new set of HD rear springs, and a set of HD springs for the front (which are actually 90" rears) you will probably find your Landy sits quite a bit higher, and will handle better.


Ian

[Porny]

I'm with Porny (which doesn't sound too good really)

eh....  :?   :?  


:D  

[drmike]

But surely as you said getting the centre of gravity any higher especially with the roof rack is not a good thing at all.

Mike

[Porny]

But surely as you said getting the centre of gravity any higher especially with the roof rack is not a good thing at all.

Mike

But a new set of HD rear springs, and a set of HD springs for the front (which are actually 90" rears) you will probably find your Landy sits quite a bit higher, and will handle better.

I meant compared to the tired springs that are fitted at the moment,   Land Rover standard HD springs will result in the Land Rover sitting at the correct, factory standard ride height, and will be more resitant to compressing under load (i.e. with the weight of the winch and roof rack).

Higher than standard with planned usage and loading would not be good IMHO....

A pukka G4 110", with a winch and a roof rack, actually handles quite well (I've covered nearly 1000 miles in one)


Ian

[drmike]

Thanks - I had misunderstood!

Mike

[Greenlanekit]

well I'm maybe looking at 90 rears on the front I thing that might solve thr prob with a winch . hmm

[Eeyore]

Wolfie (probably readin' this somewhere) has got the 110 HD front springs on his and yes, they are indeed 90 rears. Comparing his front end (Warn 8000 + ARB bumper/roo bar) to another (Ramsey + winch bumper with Scorpion +1" +20%) - the ride height is identical. I'm running winchless but with +1" +20% on the front of mine and I've got more ride height than both of them - oddly enough by about 1"!.

I've gone +20% at both ends and she handles well, even when heavily loaded (although I've not got  roof rack). Given the option, I'd put the same on the racer too (also a 110).

Why lift a 110, I heard asked. Three words - ramp break over. T'was all the justification I needed!  

I've had no probs with my Scorpion springs, to date, but next time I would actually order springs to the same rating, but with less turns to reduce the potential of coil binding on total compression (which makes a horrible noise and doesn't do the springs any good, either).

HTH

cheers
 8)
Eeyore