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« on: January 09, 2006, 13:05:49 »
I posted a reply in Gords Thread and when I clicked "Submit" it said The topic or post you requested does not exist but I managed to copy all the posts using my "Back" button and paste them in here:  :wink:


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gords Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject:  

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Landyrover wrote:
Once you start, you will become a social recluse and spend even more hours at the PC.

Umm, I'm a bit like that already - with work though  

Landyrover wrote:
I might be slow but I wouldn't be suprised that for every minute of on-screen action, I spend 10-20 minutes in 'post production'!  It took me nearly a year to put together a 1 hour film (plus DVD extras) for friends of their wedding...

Yikes! We've currently got 3 x 90 minute tapes, each with more than 70 to 80 minutes of recording!

I've transferred 2 of them onto the PC - the third one seems to be suffering from some sort of corruption though - it starts off getting a bit "blocky" and continues to get worse and worse! I've run a cleaning tape through a couple of times but it hasn't helped  

I think I need to come up with some sort of plan first - I don't really want to just chuck the whole lot onto DVD, as it's a mixture of baby stuff, parties, holidays, etc. Oh well, should be fun  
 
 
way2deep Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: films

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i use nero6 .i put clips on manually and trim them down,that way you don't waste space recording unwanted footge.a got pinnacle studio plus too but having problems running it ,it says i need upgrades but my comp is windows xp and is only a year old ????  
 
 
Landyrover Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject:  

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gords wrote:

I assumed WinDVD was!? It allows you to control the Camera and record from it, you can split the movie into scenes, add menus, text, etc. It might not be very powerful, but then at the moment I wouldn't know  

So, why do you swap between your two packages? Is one generally better than the other?

I don't know WinDVD so can't comment on that... the packages I use do enable you to do lots in the way of transitions, picture-in-picture, green screening, etc. They also make the editing process run smoothly (providing your PC is up to it  - had to invest in a new one recently and it is MUCH better now!  ). They also allow a range of formats to output to, including DVD.

Both Pinnacle and Premiere have strengths - I find Pinnacle is more straightforward for general editing, Premiere has more sophisticated features but is a bit more clumsy to use - IMV  

Once you start, you will become a social recluse and spend even more hours at the PC. I might be slow but I wouldn't be suprised that for every minute of on-screen action, I spend 10-20 minutes in 'post production'!  It took me nearly a year to put together a 1 hour film (plus DVD extras) for friends of their wedding... worth it to see the reactions of folks faces when its shown for the first time though!  

Good Luck!

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Budgie Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject:  

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Now I've got a PC that can cope with it, I've started playing with the making my video into DVD's.
I've only used the MS Movie Makers so far and got good results but I've now got Ulead's Video Studio 9. Seems quite good with loads of toys but I've not really had chance to play with it yet.  

I'm happy though, I've now got the 2004 Belgium National footage on DVD!!  
 
 
gords Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject:  

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Landyrover wrote:
Hi, I'd invest in some dedicated video editing software

I assumed WinDVD was!? It allows you to control the Camera and record from it, you can split the movie into scenes, add menus, text, etc. It might not be very powerful, but then at the moment I wouldn't know  

So, why do you swap between your two packages? Is one generally better than the other?  
 
 
Landyrover Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject:  

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Hi, I'd invest in some dedicated video editing software - you can be much more creative with this! I used Pinnacle Studio for a couple of years but have also bought Adobe Premiere Elements. I swap between the two, depending on what I want to achieve.

Cheers,

Nick  
 
 
C C Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject:  

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The latest version of Nero (7) has some excellent video features but it is a little quirky to use I found.  
 
 
paul_humphreys Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject:  

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Its not just the space you use you also need space to work. I once read that you need about 1gig per min of video. You can use Nero or Easy cd\dvd, but one of the best is Adobe Premiere.

Paul  
 
 
NeilWilson Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject:  

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Disk space is very quickly used up, I think a 20min clip of full rate video from a mini dv cam corder is 4Gb. I have used Linux for doing videos, qdvdauthor, mpegtools, kino - maybe not as good as some of the "pro" windows stuff - but it is free . Most of these split the video into as many scenes as you have pressed record/stop for - ie, loads of scenes on a normal tape. If you are just dumping a tape to DVD you can record into set time length blocks and run a batch process overnight to convert the avis to mpeg2 etc. HTH.

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gords Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject:  

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The laptop is pretty high spec - it currently has about 55Gb of disk space free and has 2Gb of memory  

I've set WinDVD off recording the whole tape - apparently I have enough space to record over 15 hours  

I suppose it will take a few goes to get it right!!  
 
 
jiffyman Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject:  

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I've dabbled slightly with Windows Movie Maker, seemed quite easy really.
I dont know how much hard drive space you have but I saved mine oin bits and pieces that I wanted, on the hard drive as separtate files then made a couple of small videos.
I did need to upgrade my PC physical memory as there wasnt enough at 256mb to run the pc AND the movie software.

Also bought Pinnacle 9 software but havent used that yet  
 
 
gords Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:51 pm    Post subject: Which Video recording software?

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I've recently realised my new laptop has a Firewire connection, which means I can now connect my video camera  

I'm using XP Pro which has Windows Movie Maker and I also got WinDVD Creator Silver 2 with the laptop.

So, are either of these any good? Is one better than the other? Is it worth upgrading to WinDVD Platinum ($40)?

Also, do people generally record the whole tape, automatically split it into scenes and go from there? Or is it better to manually record scenes?

Any help/pointers appreciated - never done this before

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2006, 13:07:08 »
And here's the reply I tried to put on there  :wink: :

Quote from: "way2deep"
it says i need upgrades but my comp is windows xp and is only a year old ????

I got a new PC in early December and it took me most of the first day to complete all the updates to XP, MS Office, Virus Scan etc so it may b worth seeing if there are any updates you've not got loaded.  :wink:

Quote from: "Gords"
I don't really want to just chuck the whole lot onto DVD, as it's a mixture of baby stuff, parties, holidays, etc. Oh well, should be fun
That's the good thing with MS Movie Maker, you can start & stop the video capture when you want too, and leave the rest on the tape to take off later, just make a note of the run-time so you can go back to it.  :D

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2006, 13:18:32 »
Yeah, the other packages let you sample what you want from the tape, you don't have to rip it all from tape... Pinnacle also allows you to capture in 'preview' quality, do the editing, and then it takes from the tape only what it needs - saves disk space, although I've never tried this option myself.

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2006, 13:21:10 »
oops, the original thread seems to have vapourised! :shock:

Good job you were able to paste it and save it! :D

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2006, 13:42:02 »
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2006, 16:00:33 »
if you go here and look at the guides it will give you all the info and software you need.

to get the best quality end result dvd,you must capture from your firewire port from your camera at a high resolution in avi format.un-compressed is the best but will chew up your hard drive space in no time.

if you captur in a compressed format of avi then you will maintain the quality and utilise less hard drive space.90 mins of video captured and conversion to dvd (mpeg 2) wil certainly use up the space on your drive.

ive been doing this for a very long time and i suggest that you capture a 10 min file first and then play around with the conversion process for practice.

firstly download all the codecs (xvid etc and make sure you get ac codec for dolby prologic sound)

i would suggest you capture the file with virtual dub(this will save it as an avi on your hard drive).
then convert it with tmpgenc,and i can mail you the template dvd structure that you open with this program.after conversion you will have 2 files 1 being audio and 1 being video

then you use ifo edit to convert those files into vob files (which are the files that you find on a dvd.

once youve done it a couple of times its easy.

the end result is dvd quality film that is as good as scenarist or studiodvd would produce.bonus is the software is free.

http://www.doom9.org/

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2006, 16:38:10 »
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if you go here and look at the guides it will give you all the info and software you need.

Thanks Mike ... but at first glance, it looks horribly confusing :oops:  I like the "1 - 2 - 3" step mode of WinDVD :wink:  :lol:

So far, using WinDVD Creator I have transferred 2 tapes to PC. WinDVD saves them as MPEG-2 format. Both are somewhere between 70 & 80 minutes and result in 5 - 6 Gb files each. I've still got about 50Gb disk space left...

I've got DVD-RW's - maybe I should just have a play with short clips first, to test the resulting quality!?

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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2006, 16:45:56 »
oh your halfway there then.

in order to burn your mpeg2 file then you need to demux the streams.ie strip the files into audio and video.then you remux them into the vob format so you can burn them onto a dvdr.
go and get tpgenc and ifoedit and ill talk tou through it live on the forum so others will learn too.you could have your first converted disc by 9pm today.

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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2006, 17:01:11 »
where you have yor mpeg2 file saved,create 2 new folders.then open tmpgenc and close the wizard you get at the start.
click file>>>>mpeg tools and you should see this picture.

in the input box pick up your mpeg 2 file.

then in the two boxes underneath you will notice that one is video output and one is audio output.rename the files i these two boxes so that you know that you are on this next step and don confuse yourself with all the files you are making.

it is better if you save these audio and video files in the first new folder you have made.

then press run.

this should take 5-40 mins depending on pc spec.

ifo edit is here under vob tools in the download section

http://www.doom9.org/

1 last step to go

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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2006, 17:50:14 »
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in order to burn your mpeg2 file then you need to demux the streams.ie strip the files into audio and video.then you remux them into the vob format so you can burn them onto a dvdr.
go and get tpgenc and ifoedit and ill talk tou through it live on the forum so others will learn too.you could have your first converted disc by 9pm today.

mike
I tried putting this into a translation site and I still didn't understand a word of what your going on about Mike!  :(biglaugh):

I'm sure that MS Movie Maker and the Ulead prog I've got do all of this without having to demux,remux, tpgenc or ifoedit the files.  8-[
So I think I'll stick with them for now, they reproduce excellent results on DVD and I've still got loads to find and play with, including adding Flash backgrounds into the titles.  :mrgreen:

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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2006, 18:09:46 »
Thanks for the offer Mike, but I think I'll see what I can do with WinDVD Creator first (that was free too :wink: ) as it's easy 1-2-3 steps all the way to burning the DVD.

I may well take a better look at the stuff you suggest later on. :D

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2006, 22:03:37 »
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in order to burn your mpeg2 file then you need to demux the streams.ie strip the files into audio and video.then you remux them into the vob format so you can burn them onto a dvdr.
go and get tpgenc and ifoedit and ill talk tou through it live on the forum so others will learn too.you could have your first converted disc by 9pm today.

mike
I tried putting this into a translation site and I still didn't understand a word of what your going on about Mike!  :(biglaugh):

I'm sure that MS Movie Maker and the Ulead prog I've got do all of this without having to demux,remux, tpgenc or ifoedit the files.  8-[
So I think I'll stick with them for now, they reproduce excellent results on DVD and I've still got loads to find and play with, including adding Flash backgrounds into the titles.  :mrgreen:



sorry guys i got off on one there. :roll:

been doing this for so long i taught myself to produce studio quality dvds from murky video cemera recordings.

now though i have a dvd camcorder which makes thing a whole lot quicker.

cheers guys and good luck with the dvds

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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2006, 22:39:26 »
No worries Mike, I'm sure I do the same thing with Land Rovers sometimes, mainly at work!

With the PC I've got now then in a couple of months time I may be talking the same way and ask you all sorts of things.  :D

Thanks for the links, once I've mastered these programmes and seen the results then I may well starting for something more up-market.  :wink:

 






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