help with swivel housing king pins

[kevinf]

big blue as failed the mot on worn swivel housing pivot pins
never done any before,dont look to bad a job and i know u can get complete swivel ball kits from paddocks, but as big blue is going soon
dont want to spend money unnecessary
so any advice greatly appreaciated



cheers kevin

[MuddyMike]

Replacing the swivel pin bearings is quite straightforward, but make sure you order some extra shims as you nearly always have to put in more with new bearings. Also make sure you know the correct pre-load setting. It will be something like 12 pounds with the seal in place 3-4 with the seal out.

Just thinking, You might get away with just removing some shims if the existing bearings are in reasonable condition.

Mike

[Budgie]

That's what I was about to suggest Mike, check the pre-load on the pins first.

Main reason I say this is cos you can't tell that the pins are warn without removing them and you don't remove the swivle pins for a MOT!
So how do they know the pins are warn??  :?

If you remove the top pin you should see some shims under it, just remove them until you get hte correct tention on a spring balance (as per Mr Haynes). If you don't find any shims under the pin then new bearings will be required!  :(

[Xtremeteam]

Main reason I say this is cos you can't tell that the pin are warn without removing them and you don't remove the swivle pins for a MOT! So how to they know the pins are warn??  :?

Quite easy,grab the wheel top & bottom & rock,if theres movement its either a wheel bearing or the swivel pins,get a helper to look where the movement is coming from & bobs your uncle  

[Budgie]

My point Mikee is that if he was told it was the SWIVEL PINS that were gone, how did they know? When, as you say, it could also be the wheel bearings, swivle bearings or just the preload needs adjusting.  

[Xtremeteam]

normally its quite apparent if the swivel pins/bearings are gone as the grease oozes out the bottom & also it rattles about in the hole

[muddyweb]

My point Mikee is that if he was told it was the SWIVEL PINS that were gone, how did they know? When, as you say, it could also be the wheel bearings, swivle bearings or just the preload needs adjusting.  

It's quite easy to distinguish where the play is... if the swivel housing moves, then it is in the pins... if the disc moves, then it is the hub bearings.

Quite often a tester will just say "excessive play in front wheel" and not give you any more info.

[Budgie]

But that can also be caused by a warn or collapsed bearings, not necessarily the pin.  

[Xtremeteam]

but what u have to remember is the early defenders have a brass bush & pin in the top & the later ones have a bearing (part No 60666)

[muddyweb]

But that can also be caused by a warn or collapsed bearings, not necessarily the pin.  

Well, yes if we are being pedantic about it...  but I always change them together...  do the job once

[Budgie]

but what u have to remember is the early defenders have a brass bush & pin in the top & the later ones have a bearing (part No 60666)

I know about that one, had to do a rakle (sp) bush on the campsite at Billing about 6 years ago so I could get me & the 90 back to Glasgow!  :D The chaps from the LR Club of Japan seemed to like taking photos of my 90 with a stripped front axle in the middle of the site anyway, so someone enjoyed it!  :lol:

Sorry Tim, yes I was being perdantic but I was going on what Kevin had reported his problem to be.  

[MuddyMike]

The MOT tester is probably not an expert in Land Rover swivel design, he (or she) will just report worn swivel housing pivot pins. Not knowing (or caring) whether the vehicle in question has railco bushes, bearings or whatever.

The easy way to test if the play is wheel or swivel bearings is to have someone put their foot on the brake pedal whilst you wiggle it. If the play stops its wheel bearing, if its still there its swivel. The brake locks the wheel/hub together.

Mike

[Budgie]

have someone put their foot on the brake pedal whilst you wiggle it.

I normally get a foot in the face if I try that!!  :(biglaugh):

[kevinf]

sorry guys didnt mean to start a fight :oops:

its definately the swivel pin/bearings that have gone,had the top pin out on one side and refitted with out shims still very floppy,and pin looks scored.its just what i could see didnt bear any resembelance to diagram
in haynes manual ie expected to see a tapper roller bearing, also didnt want to order complete swivel kits when i can get away with just pins and bushes/bearings and on the other hand didnt want to strip the thing down at the weekend and find i need new swivels because they allways break where the bearings fit.when all the parts outlets are shut


cheers kevin

[muddyweb]

sorry guys didnt mean to start a fight :oops:

<chuckle>  That wasn't a fight !   Ask about dislocation cones if you want to start one of them :twisted:

its definately the swivel pin/bearings that have gone,had the top pin out on one side and refitted with out shims still very floppy,and pin looks scored.its just what i could see didnt bear any resembelance to diagram
in haynes manual ie expected to see a tapper roller bearing,

That's not a complete surprise...  (both the Haynes book getting it wrong and what you found ;-))

As Mike says, some have just a pin and bush in them

[Mace]

Thats the first time I've heard you call them "dislocation" cones Tim  :lol:

[TimM]

dislocation cones

dislocation cones

 [-X  Stop it! Don't even think those words on the forum!  

[Mace]

Ho ho ho  :lol:

[muddyweb]

Thats the first time I've heard you call them "dislocation" cones Tim  :lol:

Well, I did say it was the best way to start a fight :-)

[Xtremeteam]

Thats the first time I've heard you call them "dislocation" cones Tim  :lol:

Well, I did say it was the best way to start a fight :-)

Jubilee clips rule OK :!: