Anti offroad picture in Whitworth, Lancs

[ninety]

Speaks for itself.

Reposted after the original thread got eaten.

[woody]

I believe it is factually incorrect and biased
as I believe off-roading isn’t illegal (trespassing is) though the term could be misused
it should be done in a responsible manner
where is the picture from, is it public land, private or part of a greenlane?

In the footer there seems to be a lot of  companies, and elected bodies backing this
have they been contacted to find out if they gave their permission for their logo’s to be used.

Are they fully aware of the content of the poster
If the poster is factually incorrect, these bodies should be informed so they can withdraw their support for this campaign

[TimM]

My view, utter load of rubbish, put my reasoning in this thread.

[ninety]

The poster was on the council noticeboard, located in a layby on the busy main road from Bacup to Rochdale.

[ninety]

By the way, if you had voted, please re-vote as the original thread was eaten.

Thanks

[TimM]

The poster was on the council noticeboard, located in a layby on the busy main road from Bacup to Rochdale.

Is that a locked one, or is it a free for all?

[Evilgoat]

Its a case of pure propaganda.

There are some pertinant facts there but buried under utter crap.

[ninety]

'tis a free for all one

[defenderdan]

The two pictures are so alike that one has to be a doctored version of the other rather than a picture taken from the same spot at a later date. Then the attempt to make it look official by adding the logos at the bottom just makes it look more suspect. There is too many unlikely sponsors. :-k

[Ja1983]

found nowt on WYP site : http://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/

curious myself tho

[floyd fan]

Pictures defenatly doctored, even the shadows are in the same place.

[Wanderer]

Maybe it's me.
Other than the photos possibly (note possibly) being doctored there's nothing factually incorrect.

It quotes the law. Off Roading is illegal without the landowners permission. The Road Traffic Act makes it illegal as stated on the poster to drive on anything other than a road or land with recognised vehicular access.

A
BOAT is a road so you're not off roading.

Now it might be playing on other people's ignorance when they don't realise that Green laning isn't off roading.

Ed

[ninety]

The pictures, in my opinion (and I have seen the original print) are doctored.  Seems that the top picture was taken, then several seconds later, another picture was taken in the same position.

UPPER picture is the one that I think is doctored.  It looks like the tracks have been airbrushed over.  The tracks, if you look, are up to the piles of rubble/rock that you see.

The fact that the first paragraph implies that off-roading is the illegal driving /riding of offroad vehicles on bridleways etc.  It makes the association that all who drive offroad are law-breakers.  I appreciate that some act irresponsibly, but that particular wording is misleading.

[Priglet]

I'm with Wanderer on this. It seems to me to be factually correct - but misleading and not stating all the facts - like where vehicles are allowed.

Be honest if you were driving along a BOAT and saw vehicles cutting across open moorland would it annoy you?

[ninety]

Yes, it would annoy me if I saw people being irresponsible.  I don;t do it myself, and it's not fair.  The poster just annoyed me in that it's factually correct, but very misleading.  I doubt the average Joe Public would read it and completely understand it.

[Bob696]

Top picture has been doctored (badly) with a clone brush. They didnt get the green right.  Looks like they cloned the hillside upper right tbh but without the originals too hard to tell.

[Ja1983]

forgive my ignorance.. but i tought a BOAT was one of them things that float on water....

(seriously, i am actually a bit thick and not sure as to what BOAT means)

also i think the wording is twisted, altough its not entirley lies,

yes, i can say that damage is caused by 4x4`s.. but it is also caused by ramblers, livestock (look at steep hills, the "folds" in the grass!) and bikers, horse riders. should everyone be banned?

annoyance, alarm or distress - yes, but we`ve already stated that most users, not just 4x4`s generally are considerate and careful. personally i would feel more intimidated by an angry mob of ramblers than the odd group of 4x4`s!

[V8MoneyPit]

BOAT = Byway Open to All Traffic

[dew1911]

E-mail dispatched to Lancashire County Council

Dear sir or madam,

    I am writing to you to enquire about the use of the Lancashire County Council logo in the following poster, as displayed in Whitworth, Lancashire: http://nigni.com/cellar/offroad-poster.jpg. I would like to know if the LCC knew about the use of the logo, and if so then if they knew the poster was going to be as biased as it is.

    It is a clearly one sided poster which I for one am very upset about. It has no sense of balance or of reason, instead it simply paints the most horrid picture to can to tarnish the repulation of 4x4 owners and drivers, most of whom are very reasonable people, and care deeply about the environment.

    Thanks for reading,
David Woodend

Let's see what result that picks up.

[ninety]

Why can't we all just share the planet?  :)

[Dirty Gertie]

Off-Roading is done on privately owned sites.
Greenlaning is the legal use of (largely) unsurfaced public highways; as long as one is licenced, taxed, MOT'd and insured, there is NOTHING illegal about their use!!!

[marjan]

I have a very friendly Traffic Cop living next door and he has just had a look at the poster via my computer and says that West Yorkshire Police have nothing to do with any policing in that area and that he will mention the unauthorised use of WYP emblem to one of his superiors in the morning!.

Methinks that somebody is gonna get their arse kicked  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[laser_jock99]

I just did a web search for the mysterious "South Pennine Off-Roading Vehicle Initiative"- a very auspicious sounding organisation......that doesn't seem to actually exist!

[the loon]

that poster is biast,wrong and I find it personaly offensive.
the implication is that all offroad driving is illegal.
No where are they making any distinction between legal offroad driving e.g. use of green lane networks etc.
Again its all offroad drivers being tared with the same brush.
I can only see this increasing after recent events such as those in the isle of wight ( http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=16568&highlight=isle+wight )
but this poster has many groups endorsing the fact that they feel all 4x4 drivers who go offroad are breaking the law who know better.
Whats all this about "Should the police beleve you have caused a public nuisance you maybe arrested" :?: So all it takes is for a group of legal sensible drivers to come across a group of anti's out on a lane and then a couple of there group get on there mobiles and claim that theres a bunch of nutters driving like idiots harassing the inocent bobble hatters and we get carted off.

Its not helping usI know but I think if I saw this kind of bull posted anywhere I would remove it and bin it.
this kind of institutionalised anti 4x4 behaviour is totaly unexceptable from any group.

Ok
having just read the rest of the thread it seems the poster is a fake
Right I'm getting more wound up now

[H]

Odd thing to me is that a poster "produced by West Yorkshire Police" has been posted up in Lancashire although the Lancs constabulary is there. Most worrying thing is that its probably been posted less than an mile away from Black Cowm quarry the ssite of the pay and play Whitworth Quarry. Theres a pay and play day up there on sunday I'll see if I cant find one of these posters as I think I have seen them as I've passed down this road and take it to the guys that run the quarry site. bet they have had Antis up there complaining so probably know who is behind it.

H

[Eeyore]

the implication is that all offroad driving is illegal.

Ahh, unless its done with the land owners permission - it is illegal.

Lets try and break the cycle and consider the difference between green laning and 'off-roading'. The terms are mutually exclusive in the real and legal sense.

Off-roading inherently is undertaken off-road. Not 'off-tarmac', or 'off-pavement', but off-road This means away from the vehicular right of way. RUPPs, BOATs etc are roads, so green laning cannot be off-road (which is why you need to be road legal to go laning).

The poster is quite clever in the fact that it does steer away from commenting on laning, only on off-roading, which as it says, is illegal. Where they goof is when they fail to mention the bit about 'landowners permission', which pretty much gives you the right to drive anywhere.

In many respects we should be supporting the poster and saying 'yes, prosecute illegal motorists, they spoil it for the rest of us'.

Now that would T.O. the poster maker!  :lol:

cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[landylass2a]

This poster is the same one which is at the top of rooley moor rd rochdale, at the start of a Lane/Track which eventually goes over to Bacup,and comes out at Alf Kymes scrap yard, This is NOT a Green Lane Nor BOAT, and it Is being churned up by motorcyclists and Drivers of 4x4 using it, as to if it is known that it has been put there by all whos logos are on it, I do not know, what I am aware of is that once again through local bridleway groups and Local farmers they are being asked to report any motorised vehicle being seen up there. Be careful, they will wave and smile, and report you as soon as they can. Once again giving the antis ammunition, it does not help though that if you look on a Ato Z for the rochdale area this lane is clearly maked on it. Only recently have these posters been put up.

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