Topic: Well know London based 4x4 Supplier rumoured to have q.... (Read 7395 times)

SteveG · « **on:** March 14, 2006, 19:01:20 »

Well know London based 4x4 Supplier rumoured to have questionable business ethics...

Just heard that this certain supplier, after selling them for a few months, are copying X-Eng's disc brake solution and now selling them as their own.

If any of you know Simon at X-Eng he is a true Off-Road and LR enthusiast and has come up with some excellent and well engineered ideas. He has been successful in growing a small business on the side and has spent considerable time, effort and money to get it going with several new ideas on the way.

Why this supplier, for a few more pounds in margin want to put someone like this out of business just amazes me. I hope they realise that these sort of tactics in a realtively small community will come back to bite them - I hope anyway!!! And they can't claim they are doing it for the enthusiast as their price is more than X-Eng's!

I have bought several items from them in the past - but they won't be getting any more of my money!!!

Just my opinion on this rumour

Cheers

Steve

muddyjames · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2006, 19:08:24 »

well hopefully everyone will go for the cheaper original option.

bullfrog · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2006, 20:09:29 »

I think we all know who your talking about. I agree very questionable practice ! :(
I dont like their gear anyway ! :D
Just my oppinion

the loon · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2006, 20:30:51 »

there where similar alligations going around a while ago about a north east indepenant 4x4 specialists doing the same thing but as I recall nothing has come of it that I have heard of.....as yet.
It seems to be happening all too often that one person wil rip off anothers idea.

The main thing about it is though the copies tend to be substandard so that when they break all most people see is the item an associate the product with the original maker.
This causes the worst type damage to the original makers - a damaged reputation - this spreads around the community quickly and has the knock on effect of loss of sales etc.

Jim-Willy · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2006, 20:41:29 »

This is flying all over the web like widfire. They could regret this........

Jake · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2006, 20:46:25 »

They do like copying other peolpes idea's though
:roll:

davidlandy · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2006, 20:50:10 »

tis spreading like wildfire isnt it. Been watching it develop since this am (been off work)

there is certainly some momentum seemingly gathering.

Bishops Finger · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2006, 20:56:12 »

Name n shame them :D

Thrasher · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2006, 20:57:11 »

No naming and shaming on this forum. Some people here will have direct legal obligations to fulfil if that happens!

bullfrog · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2006, 20:57:45 »

Why was original thread pulled ? :?:
Not pointing fingers, Just wondered ! :D
This is massive. I here T-shirts ans stickers are on the way ! :D

drutt · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2006, 20:58:50 »

indeed.

I would like to thank SteveG for having kept this in mind with this post, besides, I think we all know who we're talking about ...

Now.. where have I seen that ground anchor before :?

Thrasher · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:00:33 »

Bullfrog,

The thread wasn't pulled, but there are people who run this board that cannot allow things like this (current situation) to be published on a board they are responsible for.

Mud-club is free to join, granted, however - if the supplier decided to come after all the boards spreading this information, who do you think would be liable, and who would have to pay?

Not the people posting - but the owners of the servers/boards.

drutt · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:00:57 »

Quote from: "bullfrog"

Why was original thread pulled ? :?:
Not pointing fingers, Just wondered ! :D
This is massive. I here T-shirts ans stickers are on the way ! :D

The original thread wasn't "pulled" as hidden whilst we considered our actions. Mud-Club is legally liable for the content of the site, and this is, at least legally still unsubstantiated rumour. As such with people being named and shamed, we could be held liable for slander.

This was explained to SteveG who then reworded the posts to hopefully protect us in some way, as his complaint is about a nameless supplier.

Jake · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:02:46 »

The company in question does'nt need naming.
If you know, great. If you dont, dont worry about it.
:)

Jas278 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:19:47 »

Its like DOG MESS .......absolutely everywhere.............oh well , got my own problems with that other COWBOY tyre company..........

bullfrog · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:38:01 »

I fully understand and appreciate the responce :D

Dave · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:38:29 »

What ever happend to freedom of speech I know theirs no such thing.

Thrasher · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:41:52 »

Dave :-)

Freedom of speech is something the Americans have in their constitution. But do you realise we are subjects ...... and as such, technically do not have this right! :oops:

strapping young lad · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:48:00 »

its freedom of speech as long what you saw is monitored and doesnt offend anyone ;)

Dave · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:49:38 »

Mate nothing would surprise me about this country any more. Nothing is free in this live.

EXCEPT THE MUD-CLUB OF COURSE

8)

davidlandy · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:50:42 »

Quote from: "Dave"

....Nothing is free in this live.

8)

...that is unless you steal it!

Dave · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2006, 21:53:31 »

Dave that would be wrong to no doubt. :roll:

Tigger · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2006, 22:05:56 »

Quote from: "Dave"

What ever happend to freedom of speech I know theirs no such thing.

Nothing to do with freedom of speech... just a case of avoiding probems in our ever-increasingly litigant world.

Snake110 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2006, 22:48:40 »

Quote from: "Dave"

What ever happend to freedom of speech I know theirs no such thing.

You are forgeting where you are in jolly old blighty
YOU are a subject of the crown you are property of the state
what you certainly are NOT is a citizen in the american sence
and you never will be if parlement has its way...

Tigger · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2006, 22:51:33 »

Well... nice to see that this has turned into a moan about the club and the country...

I thought it was about people nicking other people's designs.... I must have been wrong :roll:

bullfrog · « **Reply #25 on:** March 14, 2006, 22:57:33 »

Your right Tim, Thanks by the way for sorting my bushes. Got them today. Have posted thanks on D44 forum. :D
I hope no one pilfers my designs. Not that they will be as well engineered! 8)

drutt · « **Reply #26 on:** March 14, 2006, 23:07:42 »

sadly it's not unknown for people to copy other designs, and the european patent laws make protecting yourself basically laughable (don't get me started on software patents)

Now, I appreciate that this is to some extent a rumour at present, but I wouldn't be suprised in the slightest if it happened to be true, along with other rumours of defective parts and who knows what else.

then again, at least it makes the shows easier.. you only need to go to one stand to see a design you like, then work out who's it is and go buy it from them instead :)

Jim-Willy · « **Reply #27 on:** March 14, 2006, 23:10:41 »

Quote from: "drutt"

then again, at least it makes the shows easier.. you only need to go to one stand to see a design you like, then work out who's it is and go buy it from them instead :)

Very very well put. I have been thinking of a way to get this topic back on track for a bit, now i don't need to as that sums it up perfectly

drutt · « **Reply #28 on:** March 14, 2006, 23:18:00 »

what I do find a little odd is that this is only causing upset now. Granted there is a slight difference in that this is a much smaller company that is being taken for a ride, however it strikes me as more than coincidental that some of their designs so closely resemble other "larger" makes.

Add to that questions of reliability which are most likely stirred up by rumours, and the further rumours of lousy support (post everything back and we might give you a replacement?) and I personally wonder why people still give them money.

then again, I'm probably missing the point, it's a known trait of mine.

drutt · « **Reply #29 on:** March 14, 2006, 23:21:25 »

Quote from: "drutt"

what I do find a little odd is that this is only causing upset now. Granted there is a slight difference in that this is a much smaller company that is being taken for a ride, however it strikes me as more than coincidental that some of their designs so closely resemble other "larger" makes.

Add to that questions of reliability which are most likely stirred up by rumours, and the further rumours of lousy support (post everything back and we might give you a replacement?) and I personally wonder why people still give them money.

then again, I'm probably missing the point, it's a known trait of mine.

note: This is of course all in my humble opinion, which neither reflects the opinion of mud-club as an entity, or even reality since it has been far too long since I slept and I am paying rather too much attention to the rumour mill.

I am however tired of mud-club being dragged into the argument, or criticised for being overly cautious when it comes to lawsuits. I've taken great pains to not mention any company names, and repeat, once again for anyone that may still care this is all opinion, and as such may be utter codswallop

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