Daily Mail anti 4x4 article...

[laser_jock99]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=380291&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=&ct=5

There's the usual online vote and a chance to add your comments.

I took the opertunity to point out that it's NOT an anti 4x4 tax at all- but would apply to ALL big engined cars!

PLEASE REPORT PROPERLY YOU NUMPTY JOURNALISTS!

[Edge]

Voted the obvious...........NO :D

[Damonski]

They do mention that in the article:

. It would also include many luxury sports cars and limousines such as the Rolls-Royce Phantom, the BMW 750i and the Jaguar 4.2 litre Super V8.

[Damonski]

Why the heck get flipped out anyway, in another Dailymail story they say:

The new top bracket will only apply to cars bought after Wednesday's Budget, excluding second-hand cars or those already purchased.

I think every single 4x4 and big engined car currently on the road has just gone up in value :)

[Rich_P]

I can't see the fact that it would apply to newly bought cars after wednesday being true.  :shock:

[sparkes]

The logic behind this is the worst I have ever seen

1, chelsea tractors are a problem
2, chelsea tractors are a status symbol
3, lets tax all 4x4's higher to get at the chelsea tractors
4, chelsea tractors are now more expensive to use
5, chelsea tractors are now MORE of a status symbol because they show you have more money
6, More chelsea tractors sold

The logic just does not work.  But our government is intelligent (I know, but they should be!) so all I can see is that they are:

1, making the green lot happy thus getting their vote
2, see the chance to tax us even more
3, Have no real life experience.

[sleeplessparadise]

Voted NO! also wanted to add the following comments but there were errors on the page so wasn't able to but for your viewing pleasure........ I used to own a peugot 106 which qualified for the lower rate of road tax......trouble was it used more petrol that my husband's discovery so go figure.....same with my old 1.4 Escort that thing barely did 30 miles to the gallon so I know which I would rather drive. Don't think these people will ever be changed so I just ignore them the best I can  :D

[jnoshea]

Who reads the Daily Mail anyway?  :roll:

[laser_jock99]

They do mention that in the article:

. It would also include many luxury sports cars and limousines such as the Rolls-Royce Phantom, the BMW 750i and the Jaguar 4.2 litre Super V8.

Yes- but the HEADLINE which is what people read and remember says it's anti 4x4 tax- which it isn't.

My rant to the comments section was more about the mis-reporting than the Tax itself (which as someone has mentioned only affects new cars anyway). Needless to say my comments weren't published on the Daily Mail web site when I last looked!!!!

[marjan]

I love the term "Big gas guzzling 4x4's", where does my little 1.3 Suzuki Samurai drop into the Anti 4x4 argument then ? :?  :?  :?

[Pike]

your zook probs uses more petrol than mine........even though mine does smell like burger king :lol:

[LandRoger]

your zook probs uses more petrol than mine........even though mine does smell like burger king :lol:

 Hey mine smells like that as well! do ya fancy meeting up for a fat fryers
convention ,  :lol:  :lol:  oil be seeing ya, Dodger,

[Matt_H]

your zook probs uses more petrol than mine........even though mine does smell like burger king :lol:

 Hey mine smells like that as well! do ya fancy meeting up for a fat fryers
convention ,  :lol:  :lol:  oil be seeing ya, Dodger,

so are you running a dual fuel thingamajig then?

I've been thinking about doing something for the 200tdi but advice over SVO is the pump doesn't like it (after a £700 pump rebuild I'm not sure I want another!)  Bioidiesel just baffles me.

Matt

[Matt_H]

the comment button dont work for me either :(

What is it with the transmission system of a vehicle?  An Audio TT is a 4x4, so is a nissan sunny gti-r, most subaroos etc etc.

My 90 is smaller than most family cars in length (I had a honda accord from work fora few days - I parked next to my old disco - it was 12 inches longer!)

If the government made it easy to use bio-fuels then I would - SVO woudl cost more than diesel if the tax was paid as far as I can work out and biodiesel is complicated and to pay tax you have to register as a fuel producer.  Politicians, in bed with oil companies - I think so!

Matt

[Pike]

50% diesel 50% asda veg oil,works a treat..... ssssshhhhush!!!! dont tell the taxman

[Grant]

the press dont half write some tripe...

new 250g/ km rate would hit a number of school-run favourites, including the BMW X5, Jeep Grand Cherokee and Land Rover Discovery

the disco does 249, X5 233. only a few big V8 4x4's will be taxed, 95% wont be.

[Thrasher]

and 1 in 10 4x4's sold is a V8.......

They do indeed talk tripe.....

Sad world we live in. Hey ho.

[marjan]

50% diesel 50% asda veg oil,works a treat..... ssssshhhhush!!!! dont tell the taxman

Now you know why we call him BK for short, cos when you follow him it smells like the extract fan on a Burger joint!.

[BRO]

The logic behind this is the worst I have ever seen

1, chelsea tractors are a problem
2, chelsea tractors are a status symbol
3, lets tax all 4x4's higher to get at the chelsea tractors
4, chelsea tractors are now more expensive to use
5, chelsea tractors are now MORE of a status symbol because they show you have more money
6, More chelsea tractors sold

The logic just does not work.  But our government is intelligent (I know, but they should be!) so all I can see is that they are:

1, making the green lot happy thus getting their vote
2, see the chance to tax us even more
3, Have no real life experience.

I agree... If you've got money another £40 a year is peanuts! - What 1/2 a tank of fuel... Thats hardly going to stop anyone who wants a 4x4 as a pose machine.
It may affect people who want to run one for other purposes, towing, 7 seats, where non-metalled lane access is required. A lot of families run older 4x4s for their practicality - £40 a year extra is a bit different on a £1500 machine compared to a £50,000 machine!

[clips]

not wholey related, but...
 i would object less to the tax rises across the board if the government appeared to use it more effectivly! A bit old school, but are we still paying the up keep on that millenium dome disaster, while at least 55 NHS trusts are massivly overspent. We're apparently at £17m at my place

[BRO]

I was noticing this topic on Scoobynet as well! - there are people on there that slate so-called 'Chelsea tractors'... I noticed that Subarus will come into this emissions bracket too  
Even the 2.0 Sport is listed at 201 g CO2 per km.  
2005 STI is 265 g/km  

Land Rover Discovery3 Diesel is 249 g/km  

If you are interested www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk - it's all a load of baloney though as far as I'm concerned   #-o

[laser_jock99]

I was noticing this topic on Scoobynet as well! - there are people on there that slate so-called 'Chelsea tractors'... I noticed that Subarus will come into this emissions bracket too  

....poetic justice.

[tenpolequint]

Looks like 282 g/km for Land Rover Defender TD5 Station Wagon.