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i thought i might post them a nice pic of my disco in the freepost return envelope
Can someone find the actual figures for ALL vehicle sales - i.e. are ALL car sales going up because MORE people are driving?i.e. has the actual overall percentage REALLY changed?
Oh yes becaue only people who enjoy walking and who are ramblers are righteous enough to have freedom in the great outdoors. Tell ya what, why not ban dogs full stop like you want to ban trail bikes and 4x4's. lets ban mountain bikes to and horses. Maybe we can ban farmers having animals and farm machinery to because these get in the way on our glorious righteous treks and walks.Oh, god forbid someone should question ramblers because they are a law unto themselves, bloody hell, they nearly have the same powers as Labour which is funny because they want to ban everything aswell.Perhaps we could ban smokers in the outdoors to and maybe we could ban people that dont walk in the proper way or are ot members of of the RA.Sorry, this is not a dig at the RA, its a dig at people who think the world revolves around them, no matter what their past time or club etc. Theres room for all of us and this land belongs to all of us. Never in a month of sundays should one group think itself more entitled to the great outdoors than another.It doesnt matter if this post offends because it well be removed anywayGuess i better go and tell my missus that we are not welcome in the great outdoors with our dog anymore unless its muzzled, tied to a leash and sits and behaves so as not to upset a righteous rambler. Its ok though cause im getting used to not being able to do the things i like as ramblers seem to think most of other past times apart from walking and climbing are scummy and should be banned.
Right I know this is going to open a whole can of worms but I would like to ask a few questions.As a 4x4 owner and offroader and (former) walker do the rambers association/rambling community as a whole except the work that is done by the offroading community to keep byways open?Do the ramblers association want to ban ALLrecreational use of 4x4/trail bikes etc from the countryside or publick rights of way e.g. BOAT's (byways open to all traffic)?Do the ramblers association/rambling community except that its not all 4x4/trail bikers who are causing the damage that is so offten associated with us, but that most damage is caused by the irresponcible minority who dont have the sence not to drive a greenlane when it may result in damage to the surface of the lane?Do the ramblers association/rambling community except that not all recreational offroad drivers illegaly use rights of way designated as footpaths or bridleways which have no vechicular access?slightly different issue but still in the same vein.In a recent mail shot that was sent out by the ramblers association and I quote "the huge increase in 4x4 and other offroad vechicle ownership (some estimates say 400% in 10 years)Has lead to a deline in the condition of many byways" end quoteOn what figures are the stated 400% increas in sales based?Is this for ALL vehicle sales - i.e. are ALL car sales going up because MORE people are driving? i.e. has the actual overall percentage REALLY changed?And finaly Do the ramblers association/rambling community ignoledge the work of groups such as GLASS (the greelane association -www.glass-uk.org )who promote the responcible use of the countries byways?
just signed up for the ramblers association forums and posted the following QuoteRight I know this is going to open a whole can of worms but I would like to ask a few questions.As a 4x4 owner and offroader and (former) walker do the rambers association/rambling community as a whole except the work that is done by the offroading community to keep byways open?Do the ramblers association want to ban ALLrecreational use of 4x4/trail bikes etc from the countryside or publick rights of way e.g. BOAT's (byways open to all traffic)?Do the ramblers association/rambling community except that its not all 4x4/trail bikers who are causing the damage that is so offten associated with us, but that most damage is caused by the irresponcible minority who dont have the sence not to drive a greenlane when it may result in damage to the surface of the lane?Do the ramblers association/rambling community except that not all recreational offroad drivers illegaly use rights of way designated as footpaths or bridleways which have no vechicular access?slightly different issue but still in the same vein.In a recent mail shot that was sent out by the ramblers association and I quote "the huge increase in 4x4 and other offroad vechicle ownership (some estimates say 400% in 10 years)Has lead to a deline in the condition of many byways" end quoteOn what figures are the stated 400% increas in sales based?Is this for ALL vehicle sales - i.e. are ALL car sales going up because MORE people are driving? i.e. has the actual overall percentage REALLY changed?And finaly Do the ramblers association/rambling community ignoledge the work of groups such as GLASS (the greelane association -www.glass-uk.org )who promote the responcible use of the countries byways?will be intresting to see what there answers are - if anythread should be viewable here http://www.ramblers.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6021
just signed up for the ramblers association forums
Aviation is possibly more damaging than the world motor transport pool
should invite some ramblers onto here or any other 4x4 forum to post - may be then a good discussion can be had that wont be locked as soon as we start to win the debate!
wmwgnews764 Posts Posted - 31/03/2006 : 12:32:30 Topic closed. This thread does not relate to "Family Walking". We have not, and have no plans to host any forums which invite discussions along these lines. This is a public forum, and attracts viewpoints, not accurate information on the policy of the RA or anyone else. To make an enquiry regarding RA aims and objectives, please contact Head Office for some appropriate marketing literature.
