'NAS' Lighting

[Bush Tucker Man]

After browsing through the 'Vehicle Wiring Products' & 'Bearmach' catalogues, I'm becoming more inclined to upgrading the 110's lighting.

It's the larger diameter NAS lights ('93-odd' mm as opposed to '70-odd' mm diameters) that are shown in the image posted by 'mmgemeni' shows in the topic; Extra Rear Lights (and also in this image L4 RDH)


So, to the questions; (you knew there'd be a catch :lol: )
1 With regard to the siting of the rear lights, is there an issue with them sitting flush with the bodywork, due to the 'corner capping'
2. with item #1 in mind, is it neccessary to cut/sand/grind the spacers for a better fit.
3.'mmgemeni's image answers a question, but due to the larger size, is there any conflict with swing-away wheelcariers? (dependant on make)

Thanks

[mmgemini]

As you've mentioned my name............ :lol:

1..Not that I remember.
I'll look tomorrow if
 [a]I remember.
  If the water has stopped falling from the sky.

You will need to enlarge the hole in the bodywork at the rear to reposition the lights.

I've only done the tail lights.
Nothing else.
LED bulbs are fitted as well.

I have a Mantec spare wheel carrier fitted.

[Bush Tucker Man]

As you've mentioned my name............ :lol:


I have a Mantec spare wheel carrier fitted.

Thanks Mike, it was just that the standard lights fit over the 'capping' & on the pressing that accomodates the tail/brake light

 
Mantec, or Bearmach 'swing-away' on the shopping list as well

[Bush Tucker Man]

You will need to enlarge the hole in the bodywork at the rear to reposition the lights.

I would have thought that with the spacers in place the light body would fit into the standard cut-out on all post (94?) models?

[mmgemini]

I had a look this morning.
The plinth fits the capping bit OK.
Now you will need to move the hole that the light goes into.
I used the plinth as a template.

Mine is a 1995 model.
I didn't bother changing the bulb holders.
Just swapped them into the new lens.

HTH

[Bush Tucker Man]

Thanks Mike, I'll put them on the list & try to get them sorted (certainly before the clocks go back)

[Litch]

Fitted a full set of 12-NAS lights to my 90 about 6-years ago, four at the front and eight at the rear.

You already know this but yes the bodywork needs to be drilled/cut, it took me all of 5-seconds thought before I attacked my lovely shiney new panels but I am glad I did it.
I use a WH carrier and it doesn't cover the lights at all, I suppose it might have an effect on the reversing & fog lights from some angles if you only have one of each but being paired-up I don't have that problem.
VWP are quite pricey for the lights, they are a good source for the connectors but shop around and you can get the lights cheaper.
Over the years my front side-lights have started to yellow (where the vehicle is parked they face the sun all afternoon) so replacement is on the cards. Also they can fill with condensation but I found a (very) small hole drilled at the bottom of each unit will stop this completely.

[Bush Tucker Man]

Fitted a full set of 12-NAS lights to my 90 about 6-years ago, four at the front and eight at the rear.

VWP are quite pricey for the lights, they are a good source for the connectors but shop around and you can get the lights cheaper.

Thanks 'Litch'

I'm looking around for suppliers

I meant to ask at 'WandaHomes' when we called this afternoon as, I think(?), Elddis use the same tail lights on certain vans now

Arriva also have the same lights for front indicators & side-lights on certain vehicles.
And guess where father-in-law works for?
I'll get him to find out  trade-prices

[Litch]

When I bought my lights I got them from LR as they weren't in widespread use then, they gave me 10% discount and I think they worked out at around £10.50 each (6-years ago). Now you see the same lights on vans, buses, coaches, motorhomes, trailers etc.
Try your local commercial vehicle motor-factors. I have recently seen them for about £8.50 each inc plinth & bulb-holder but I can't remember where it was. If I remeber I will let you know as I am after some more anyway. :lol:

[Bush Tucker Man]

I went into a decent Commercial Vehicle electrical suppliers in Wakefield earlier today with the intention of finding out the price from them.
 
Unfortunately there was a new guy in the shop & he couldn't help me with out a manufacturer (& possibly part number)

So, who makes them?, please :D

[colinreed]

So, who makes them?, please :D

I think L E Perei make the genuine LR ones. I recently saw some details of their LED version of the NAS lights. Nice but pricey, I'll try to find the link.

Colin
www.REEDX.net

[Bush Tucker Man]

I think L E Perei make the genuine LR ones. I recently saw some details of their LED version of the NAS lights. Nice but pricey, I'll try to find the link.

Thnaks again Colin, can't find anything that's a suitable link to that name/business either

[colinreed]

This isn't the link I mentioned but it is to the Perei website.

http://www.perei.co.uk/productlisting.asp?strareano=PRODUCTCATEGORY_1

Colin

[colinreed]

Richard

I've just found the link I was on about

http://www.premierwiring.co.uk/UDP02.htm

Colin

[Bush Tucker Man]

Thanks all, I'll print those pages & try to go to the specialist again tomorrow

[Bush Tucker Man]

Eventually managed to go to specialist this morning, usual chap on the desk
Told him the manufacturer & diameter & he disappeared, less than 30seconds later he came out with a pair of stop/tail lights.

The cost?
£8.60 light unit
£1.20 plinth
Bottom line = £23.03 (inc VAT) for 2 complete units


He says they have at least a 100 of each application in stock, as a local commercial body-builder buys his stock there.

All I've got to do now is decide what to use to cut the larger hole out with.
Any suggestions for a neat finish?

They also have LED varients at about £20.00

Sorry, just in case anyone local needs to know, I got them from; AES

[Bush Tucker Man]

I've just had a quick look.

The tail/stop lights require the orifice enlarging by about 2-3mm to the inner face, otherwise the plinth overlaps the body-capping to the outer edge.
In a rear indicator position, they are a straight exchange, no overlap.

I also need to sort out some self-tappers & screws for the lamps to plinths

[DEF110]

When I did my reverse and fog lights I used a hole saw on my drill. I took a piece of wood behind the panel and screwed it in place using the old mounting holes. This way it would stay center and the saw would not run up the body and i would have something to push against.
I got the hole saw kit at the local boot sale for £5.00 it came with 3 or 4 different hole sizes and just used the one just larger than the light. It makes a nice neat hole.

I still need to do the rest of the lights. Would you be willing to get the lights and post them to me? As I have not found them for the price you have.

[Bush Tucker Man]

When I did my reverse and fog lights I used a hole saw on my drill. I took a piece of wood behind the panel and screwed it in place using the old mounting holes.

Good idea :idea:
I'll speak to our Estates Department & try to borrow one off the joiners, or there's a (fairly) local 'Mud-Club' member who's a joiner/kit-car builder who might lend me one, or let me do it at his house

I still need to do the rest of the lights. Would you be willing to get the lights and post them to me? As I have not found them for the price you have.

Why not ring them & ask about postage costs first, or if they can reccmmend a dealer in your area??

Have a look in Yellow Pages under Commercial Vehicle Electrical Suppliers (or some such heading)

Out of curiosity, I've just looked again at the Vehicle Wiring Products catalogue again & their prices;

£14.76 light unit
£1.72 plinth
£38.72 (inc VAT) for 2 complete units, plus postage at cost!!


As a reminder, I paid

The cost?
£8.60 light unit
£1.20 plinth
Bottom line = £23.03 (inc VAT) for 2 complete units

[Bush Tucker Man]

I still need to do the rest of the lights. Would you be willing to get the lights and post them to me? As I have not found them for the price you have.

I'm sure we can reach an agreement if need be.

Dependant on the type of lights fitted to your 110, you could possibly utilise current Defender reverse/fog as side-light & stop/tail?

Does yours have the same pattern bulb holders in the original lights?? (all post '94 models do I believe)

Bearmach also sell them, but I don't have a catalogue to hand

[DEF110]

I just got a reply back from http://www.4x4store-exeter.co.uk/ . I gave them a call and have ordered a set of 8 lights. A full NAS light kit £60.00 + VAT. This includes lamps and plinths + £7.00 shipping. And they had them in stock. I should have them by Friday

[Bush Tucker Man]

Glad you got sorted out easily =D>


I've asked the father-in-law to get me trade prices for the lamps & plinths (if he can)
My intention is to replicate the rear end of this 90 I saw a year or so ago.
With lighting pattern as such;
Stop/tail in usual position
Fog/tail in the position shown
Indicators & reverse as shown

I can't imagine a permanantly illuminated fog-lamp (21watt) causing a over-heating problem to the lens, as can happen with standard (small) lenses, as the surface area will help to dissipate any possible heat build up.
Besides the recent Defenders use exactly the same lens unit for their fog-lights

[Litch]

That's exactly the same layout I have on my 90 but I use a side-hinged spare-wheel carrier to go with the side-hinged tailgate (soft-top), I believe some carriers cover one or two of the R/H lights but I have a WH one and it is perfect.
The increased illumination from the twin reversing lamps is a joy to behold.

LR have used these lamps for fog & reverse as standard for some years now, there are no heat build-up issues with the 21W bulb being on for long periods.

[Bush Tucker Man]

That's exactly the same layout I have on my 90

Can I take it by that statement, you mean you have a 4 tail-lamp set up ?? Any chance of a dusk/night-time picture??

The increased illumination from the twin reversing lamps is a joy to behold.

Mine's actually got a 55watt work-lamp bolted to the bracing struts of the Dixon-Bate slider frame
(yes, I know it's a bit naughty & too bright)
As seen here

[Bush Tucker Man]

Phoned the Wakefield main dealer this morning out of curiosity, & got the following prices;

AMR 6526 Stop/tail = £10.00
AMR 6527 Indicator = £25.00  :shock:  ("about £25" was the phrase used)
AMR 3850 Mounting plinth  = £5.00
(not included)

Didn't ask about;
AMR 3507 Reverse (& side-light)
AMR 6522 Fog  
(both incorporate plinth as standard)
as they're on current production models

[Bush Tucker Man]

Fitted the stop/tail units this morning.
I used the old-fashioned 'drill & file' method, had a scare as the bolts I bought weren't quite long enough (my own fault :oops: )
But found some that were in another box

Good grief the brake lights are bright in comparison to standard, indicators next.

[mmgemini]

Fitted the stop/tail units this morning.
I used the old-fashioned 'drill & file' method, had a scare as the bolts I bought weren't quite long enough (my own fault :oops: )
But found some that were in another box

Good grief the brake lights are bright in comparison to standard, indicators next.

Never mind the brake lights being bright.The tail lights are as well.
I've actually had complaints that my tail lights are too bright......

[Bush Tucker Man]

Never mind the brake lights being bright.The tail lights are as well.
I've actually had complaints that my tail lights are too bright......

I had it partially in shadow in the garage to fit them, in order to save running outside with bits 'n' pieces.
Yours are probably more 'intense' (more directional?) with the LED bulbs

I've been back & bought indicators at dinnertime as well.
Fitting was almost as quick as changing a bulb!
I used the original unit to drill pilot-holes through into the plinth & used the original screws & seal to mount the units

[ProjectBlue]

I fitted NAS (think it was Bearmach or Allmakes) to the front & rear of my 110 prior to a trip across France & Spain as I thought the original 'morris' lights too small.

Never regretted it for a minute, despite cutting the bodywork up minutes after becoming the owner!

If I go back to a Defender I will almost certainly have the kit again, probably with leds this time.

It never ceases to amaze me how Landrover can produce such a physically big vehicle and rely on such tiddly lights  :D

[Bush Tucker Man]

Someone on another forum (not the one linked) let me know all about this 'How To' article complete with lots of details & pictures.


perhaps it might be of use to someone out there??