'NAS' Lighting

[Bush Tucker Man]

Eventually fitted the front 4 this morning.

Making the initial cut with the Jig-saw was worst of all, as I had visions of  the inner headlamp box coming away (as it's spot-welded?)

Anyways, it wasn't so bad, once the trim panels were back in place, I only had to trim it once so everything lined up correctly


Getting the horn bolted bak into place was another story, as there's not a lot of room down there


Now just got to buy a pair of stop/tails to use as tail/fogs at the rear, & another 4 plinths (got reverse lights already)

[dew1911]

She's looking good BTM  8)  That goes without saying.

[Bush Tucker Man]

She's looking good BTM  8)  

As always

[Littledan]

nice one mate :)

[Bush Tucker Man]

They're a darn sight brighter. I know that there's still a 5watt bulb in there, but the lens seems optically far better

The indicators are far better.
I was coming home last night at 22:00, & I turn off the A642 on a corner that has black & white chevron boards on it.
At a distance of about 60-70yards the indicators were reflecting off it.!!(the old ones never did that )

[smo]

Much better, it never made sence why on newer defenders LR persisted in fitting the crappy little ones still.

Its somthing i willl get around to on the 90 at some point, i had similar sized screw-cap metal milly ones on the 110, they also performed excellently but cost even more than the NAS ones  :shock:

[Bush Tucker Man]

Bought the stop/tails & the remaining plinths on Monday.

So when I got back this morning from Manchester Airport, I set to.

Pint pot of Tea
Spare off in order to get a straight line between indicators with a length of string
Marked up & cut
Kept all fingers, & the wiring intact :shock:
Pint of tea
Mounted plinths
Made up most of the connections*
Another pint of Tea (bl**dy hot out there!)



I forgot how heavy a 235/85 is when trying to put it back on the carrier, it's a bit warm to be doing that.

* Not all the connections are made.
There's the secondary tails to splice into the main tails yet
Near-side Fog-lamp is also to connect

They'll have to wait until I get some help

[smo]

Looking good there BTM however are the drivers side ones "in-line", the middle assembly looks to be a little lower  :shock:

I would offer some assistance, but its a bit of a trek from here to yorkshire.

[Bush Tucker Man]

Looking good there BTM however are the drivers side ones "in-line", the middle assembly looks to be a little lower  :shock:

Yes they are. It's a 'trick of the light'

I would offer some assistance, but its a bit of a trek from here to yorkshire.

I've just been offered help on the 'S3, 90 & 110 Club' forum as well, but Matt's down in Sutton Coldfield


I didn't say, but I got the feed for the off-side reverse from the (tow-bar) work-lamp that  the previous owner had fitted as an extra reverse light.

[Bush Tucker Man]

 Not all the connections are made.
There's the secondary tails to splice into the main tails yet
Near-side Fog-lamp is also to connect

They'll have to wait until I get some help

 Earlier this evening I just thought; "Stuff It, I'll Have A Go!"
After all I could reach through open doors & windows

So on with Bob Harris on Radio 2 & his interview with the Dixie Chicks

(As I type 'Rockin With Suzi Q' is about half-way through  \:D/  )

Thankfully the rear-most bolts ran into captive nuts & the front mounts were accessable with the middle row seats folded, then the back-rests knocked out sideways.

I could have still done with another person to take the cables out of the locking forceps I was using from underneath through the grommits.
Half-an-hour saw the remaining 3 feeds spliced in.

Still it all worked properly & doesn't blow any fuses due to the extra load
So, success :D

Edit @ 22:12
I've been out at dusk & took a photo with them lit
Apologies for the poor quality, but there's no flash, just avilable light @ 21:55
(didn't take one with fogs, as they'd just flare the image out)

[Jimbo]

Nice, very very nice.

Must be one of the best ways to update the lighting - why didn't LR fit the NAS spec lamps as standard to the later models, the OEM fittings look so dated ?

Time to go get me some NAS spec lamps  8)

Jim

[Bush Tucker Man]

Jim. they're seem so bright that I don't even think that LED bulbs are really requierd with them.
As I stated earlier, the front indicators reflected off a  Chevron board (corner marker) at 70yards of so, the standard lights didn't do that.


If there is one near you, try a commercial vehicle electrical suppliers, or a commercial body-builder.
They might have some, or point you towards a supplier??

All the normal lights (indicators, side & tail) plug straight in, as they're the same bulb holders.
Thanks to 'suds', who sent me a PDF file (inc photos) of the rear-connectors, I found out that the fogs & reverses have a dis-similar plug to the rest of the lights.
There are fog & reverse feeds in situ to both sides, just not connected up.

However, on post 2002(?) models with the circular (NAS) fogs, it might be a differant matter.
The lom might be acceptant of 'Econo-seal' plugs for fog  & reverse??
It's feasible(?) that by using a mixture of Genuine Parts bulb holders that cutting tinto the loom can be avoided?
If you follow me?

[Jimbo]

I already have the NAS rear fog and reverse lamps fitted - the connectors appear to be the same as the stop/tails, albeit they are coated in a far amount of crud !

My plan is to double up the rear fog and reverse lamps (as per BTM's), but leaving the fogs as just fogs, and then to fit additional stop/tails on the 'flat bit' of the roof above the rear door - I can't see there being any legal issues with the tail lamps, as tall wagons have tail lamps up there, but would the extra stop lamps be a problem being so high off the ground ?

[Bush Tucker Man]

My plan is to double up the rear fog and reverse lamps (as per BTM's), but leaving the fogs as just fogs

You'll possibly(?) have problems due to the positioning to pair them up??
Admittedly I haven't examined the placements on a Td5, would they interfere with the lower hinge?

then to fit additional stop/tails on the 'flat bit' of the roof above the rear door - I can't see there being any legal issues with the tail lamps, as tall wagons have tail lamps up there, but would the extra stop lamps be a problem being so high off the ground ?

I reckon the tail filaments should be okay, as they'll be classed as  'Marker Lights'
Buses have (very) high-level brake lights, as do Ambulances

Wolfie posted a link to the Vehicle Lighting Regulations a while ago

[Jimbo]

I measured up yesterday, a second reverse lamp and rear fog will fit - but I might have problems fitting the (planned) swing-away spare wheel carrier. As the swing-away is more important the the lights, I will purchase and fit the carrier and then see if the lamps will still fit.

You're right about Ambulances having high-level lamps - ours (BHAPS) have LED stop/tail and indicators, and they are very bright even in bright sunshine.

[Bush Tucker Man]

Jim.

How about this variation on the theme??
That'll make mine look pathetic on a gloomy night :roll:

[Bush Tucker Man]

I measured up yesterday, a second reverse lamp and rear fog will fit - but I might have problems fitting the (planned) swing-away spare wheel carrier. As the swing-away is more important the the lights, I will purchase and fit the carrier and then see if the lamps will still fit.

Jim, also look at the carrier in the above link*

I've been to the 'Huddersfield Land Rover Centre' (see the  'I Want!, I Want!!' thread) & Simmonites looking at carriers

Both offered models lower mounts are sited in the reverse lens position.
The Piv-Lok (at 'HLRC') looks dare I say, too agricultural & archaic & you can't open the door from inside (not good on a Station wagon)
The Simmonites 'African Spec' lower bracket again covers the lens completely (don't know manufacturer)


I've been asking about this on LRnet, see if it'll open for you & have a read

* I've been told on LRnet (if it is the same carrier) that they're about £300 :shock:  

Going to phone/e-mail over this matter later this morning, & will let you know the outcome

[Jimbo]

Oooooo, I like the Frogs Island wheel carrier (don't like the price though  :( )

Their place down in Didcot is within my work 'area' - perhaps I need to find an excuse for a trip down that way  

[suds]

try this option...

http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/OFFROAD/Products%20images/cats/ext/rwc/rwc-HL-3.jpg

link from scorpion's site but shows their/wvh carrier and nas lights

[Bush Tucker Man]

try this option...

ink from scorpion's site but shows their/wvh carrier and nas lights

Thanks 'suds'
It does indeed look as though it clears the lights, & also allows the rear door to be opened from inside.

I'll 'speak' to them as well.

On enlarging the image & examining it. it appears that the mount fits just under the NAS lights & in-line with the bottom edge of the door.
I'll have to ask them for measurements to be sure

[tiltboy]

Hi Guys.

If you're looking for a good quality wheel carrier that looks great and opens with the rear door, then try the "Safari equip" or W.H. Engineering as they used to be known.

http://www.safari-equip.co.uk/accwheelcarriers.htm

I sold and fitted a lot of these and wouldn't recommend anything else.

The chap you need to speak to is Adrian (phone number on link somewhere), tell him Jeremy (ex Nene overland) pointed you in that direction. Seriously, THE BEST.

Cheers,

Jeremy

[Bush Tucker Man]

E-mailed 'Frogs' & will post their reply

Scorpion reckon it's very close to the lights, but does fit & it looks as though it'll cost me about £225 (inc vat  & delivery)


Might phone 'W&H Wheelcarriers' (now 'WVH'?) up at Bradford, as they manufacture for Scorpion (or did?) & see what they say
I can always drive over & see them.

[Bush Tucker Man]

Just received this reply frm Frogs Island
Quote;
Hi Richard,

Thanks for your e-mail.

The Rugged trail wheel carrier does fit to 1/2 the rear x-member. You are
correct in saying that the rear door cannot be opened from the inside when
the carrier is fitted. The price of the carrier is £315.00 + VAT and labour
to fit is £135.00 + VAT. We carry these items in stock.

Regards
JJ
Unquote
£370 :shock:  :shock:  (plus postage!!)

Hi Guys.

If you're looking for a good quality wheel carrier that looks great and opens with the rear door, then try the "Safari equip" or W.H. Engineering as they used to be known.

http://www.safari-equip.co.uk/accwheelcarriers.htm

I sold and fitted a lot of these and wouldn't recommend anything else.

Cheers,

Jeremy

Thanks Jeremy
No wonder I can't find a proper link to them, as they've changed names
I know where they are, as they're still in the same premises as when I collected a detachable tow-bar from them for my 90 about 5years ago.
Well, that's their fabrication unit.
I

[smo]

Just received this reply frm Frogs Island

Hi Richard,

You are correct in saying that the rear door cannot be opened from the inside when the carrier is fitted.

Is this normal not to be able to open the door with a rear wheel carrier fitted, if so it kinda dampens my idea of one for the 90 as the kids are beginning to get themselves in and out :)

[Jimbo]

I was under the impression that most spare wheel carriers open with the door as they hinge on the main bodywork and the door itself - so opening the door from the inside shouldn't be a problem.......it's just the Rugged Trail carrier (Frogs Island) hinges off the rear cross-member, and has some sort of locking mechanism on the hinge - so that it can only be unlocked (and 'swung away') from the outside.

[Bush Tucker Man]

it's just the Rugged Trail carrier (Frogs Island) hinges off the rear cross-member, and has some sort of locking mechanism on the hinge - so that it can only be unlocked (and 'swung away') from the outside.

'Piv-Lock' is the same, it has a locking handle on the external mount

[tiltboy]

Hi Richard.

Just give WH a ring and they'll talk you through fitting and even modify if you need to.

£370!!!!!

Does that come with a new Boost alloy and BFG mud terrain?

Jeremy

[Bush Tucker Man]

Hi Richard.

Just give WH a ring and they'll talk you through fitting and even modify if you need to.

£370!!!!!

Does that come with a new Boost alloy and BFG mud terrain?

Jeremy

I was trying on the phone for about an hour, but it was constantly engaged, so I sent an e-mail - waiting for a reply

[fleet5124]

Almost finish my rebuild of 300TDI. Saw this thread, but had difficulty finding how to reduce photos. Hopefully I have done them now.
They show the lights fitted with Scorpion Racing swingaway wheelcarrier fitted and steps.

[fleet5124]

Some further photos. Hope this help.