Hi everyone, thanks for the sugestions. Tried the fuse lights stayed on depite being removed?????????? turns out that worn wires in the left wing loom had conected to the alarm live wire hense the reson that stayed on all the time. As the RAC dude (ex army and used to defenders) pulled the loom to investigate the whole lot caught fire! fortunatly the battery terminals were uncovered and we disconnected quick. The result was six wire burned to [!Expletive Deleted!]. Six bypass wires later fixed and working. Rac man stayed 2 hours. Hear alot of bad stuff said about the various breakdown services me included. Today thet were the very best well worth every penny and pound! The repairs to Berliner are still ongoing. Statring to look good again. Thanks again J99 for the offer of a bumper . managed to get a cheep one. Nice to know the great people of the mud club are around when you need them!