Will it fit?

[LANDYTIM]

Saturday afternoon I was driving down the A12 in Essex and I managed to shatter a piston in the engine, in turn this sent the conrod through the sump of the engine and made me quite a mess!

As it was a work vehicle I first thought I would put her up for sale as is due to my lack of time.

Ive now changed my mind!  :lol:

so a few questions for you all now........  

Is £100 for a 2.5tdi engine good? Its a runner and was only taken out due to the vehicle written off by a rear ender from a lorry....!

Will this fit in place of my 2.25 petrol?

Is it a hard conversion?

Is it easier to change the tank or just put a return pipe in?

Am I mad for taking this on?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Cheers
Tim

[ian_s]

which tdi?

if its a 200tdi then its fairly easy to fit, bolts straight in apart from the exhaust
if its a 300tdi then i dont know

oh, and i just paid £180 for a defender 200tdi, so 100 seems rather reasonable

[LANDYTIM]

thats good news!!

Is that straight on to the series gear box?

I've also got my hands on another old series and a 2.5 N/A - Will this fit?

[ian_s]

i havent actually got round to doing it yet, but apparently it does
1 or 2 of the stud wholes dont line up, but theres plenty more that do
you need the 200tdi clutch pressure plate(i think, the bit that bolts on teh flywheel), and the series clutch disk (the bit that goes on the gearbox shaft)
and you will also need at least the intercooler, and preferably the radiator too.
I'm going to try at first with the series 3 rad, and the intercooler in front of the rad as far to the passenger side as it will go, and then see if i have any problems.

[Rich_P]

Be aware that the TDi engine will kill the standard Series transmission unless you uprate it.  An LT77 mated to the Series transferbox would be able to give you the strength for the transmission to last decently well...

The 200TDi doesn't go straight in without moving one engine mount, the same applies to the 2.5 N/A.  Ã‚£100 for a TDi is awfully cheap too, are you sure it isn't a 2.5TD?  Because TDi motors usually go for £300+

[LANDYTIM]

its 100 quid for a TDi and 100 for a 2.5 N/A too.

so they r going in to the landys.

[Rich_P]

£100 is cheap for a TDi still.  Well, the ones on Ebay fetch £500 normally as a minimum....  :shock:  Both the 200/300TDi & 2.5 N/A are solid engines and are very reliable.

However, the 2.5TD has a reputation of blowing up and often go for far less than a TDi engine does.  Are you entirely sure it is a 200TDi?

Oh yeah, you're also mad.  

[mark.yellow.series.3]

£100 is cheap for a TDi still.  Well, the ones on Ebay fetch £500 normally as a minimum....  :shock:  Both the 200/300TDi & 2.5 N/A are solid engines and are very reliable.

However, the 2.5TD has a reputation of blowing up and often go for far less than a TDi engine does.  Are you entirely sure it is a 200TDi?

Oh yeah, you're also mad.  

nothing wrong with being mad :lol:
something to tell the grand kids.

[Canada Al]

Be aware that the TDi engine will kill the standard Series transmission unless you uprate it. An LT77 mated to the Series transferbox would be able to give you the strength for the transmission to last decently well...

Do you need an adapter plate for this ? or does it go straight on ?

[Rich_P]

I think some sort of adaptor kit is needed...  Ashcroft do one I was told.

[ian_s]

i'm more worried about my rear halfshafts than the gearbox
the series 3 box can reliably take a 3.5L v8 which has more torque and more bhp than a 200tdi

[LANDYTIM]

Oh yeah, you're also mad.  

If I wasnt mad I wouldnt own a landy!! lol

Love it to bits, ill see if I can get a photo library of the works.

Do you think it would be easier to remove the front wings?

[ian_s]

i've had my engine out about 3 times now, and each time i've done it i've left the wings in place. but having seen photos of other people with the wings off, when i swap to the tdi, i'm taking the wings off to make things a bit easier.

[Rich_P]

i'm more worried about my rear halfshafts than the gearbox
the series 3 box can reliably take a 3.5L v8 which has more torque and more bhp than a 200tdi

Not all 3.5 Litre V8s give the same power.  The Stage 1 (with restrictors removed) would give no more than the early 110, and that's around 110bhp and 185lb/ft torque.

The trouble comes from where the maximum power and torque is in the rev range.  A V8 has the maximum torque further up in the rev range while the TDi has it near the bottem of the rev range (hence why it is so good in an off-roader).  With the TDi's max torque being so low down, you will probably end up hitting the max torque nearly all the time when driving around town.  The result is that I would assume it has the same effect as dumping the clutch on a V8 at max torque, thanks to the turbo boost having an "instant" torque increase.  

I'm not sure if what I said makes much sense... but oh well.  :lol:

[LANDYTIM]

So if im wacking in this engine would it be benificial to e to change the gearbox and transfer box at the same time? if so what would be the ideal to put in to its place?

God, im really picking ure brains now! :shock:

[Canada Al]

I run a standard SIII gear box and rear axle ( with 3.9:1 diffs ) in my FC . Powered by a 190 bhp engine . Its a straight six so is very smooth , so far I have had no gearbox trouble ( shouldn't of said that should I ) .Also 900 X16's make it easy to break half shafts but I haven't broken one since the new engine . I guess what I'm saying is it depends on you driving style as to " will the gearbox stay in one piece " . Land rover did all the research to match the best box to engine comb . Most of the time they got it rightish , so is it worth fitting the box that came with that engine type ? Remember , you can not fit a full time FWD box without altering the front axle ( no C.V joints in a series ) . ....Al

[ian_s]

a defender lt77 will bolt straight on a 200tdi or the earlier 2.5TD engine.
that should be attached to an LT230 transferbox which has a choice of gear ratios in it.

the combination of the lt77 and lt230 is about 4 inches longer than the series box, so you'll need to move the engine further forward to make room for it. you'll also need to modify all 4 engine/gearbox mounts to suit.
you'll need to get custom propshafts made for at least the front, probably the rear too.
you'll need to adjust the gearbox tunnel in the cab.
the cross members under the gearbox will need modifying to clear the front prop
the lt230 is permanent 4wd so it will rather quickly break the joints in the front axle.

there are some other things, too, but i can think of them off the top of my head

[ukmudmaster]

Hi, Sounds as if its best for you to put the Tdi in, be aware that an LT77 will give you permanent 4WD and the front half shafts dont last very long, as they have U/Js rather than a Defenders CV joints,I would use a series box and change if it breaks. Thirty quid gets one from eBay.
Go for it !!
Dave

[LANDYTIM]

Im on the first engine swap out of the two.

Im putting the 2.5 N/A into the series 3.

Do I need to modify the engine mounts at all?

Cheers
Tim

[ritchiea2005]

I put a 200tdi into a series motor 3 years ago for a mate of mine and touch wood hes had no problem with the standard series gear box.