Topic: HELP..spring dropped out ! (Read 6089 times)

discograham · « **on:** May 27, 2006, 17:17:49 »

help ! rear off side spring has dropped out... how can I secure it from doing this again... and was it fitted correctly in the first place...? is this something that occurs often ?... or do I just need cones ?

Brains · « **Reply #1 on:** May 27, 2006, 17:42:12 »

2 Jubile clips on each rear spring work and they are loads cheaper than re-location cones! :D

Pics below!

discograham · « **Reply #2 on:** May 27, 2006, 18:06:27 »

excellent ! If I can get away with that then great ! :D Thanks for the tip...

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #3 on:** May 27, 2006, 18:37:34 »

Quote from: "Landymad"

2 Jubile clips on each rear spring work and they are loads cheaper than re-location cones! :D

Pics below!

yep got to agree with that,

dont start with the cones pash any1 else :!:

Brains · « **Reply #4 on:** May 27, 2006, 18:58:04 »

My Dad's Disco is proof that they work! :D And thats only with a 1 inch lift and 235/70/16 tyres! :D :D

Steve ray · « **Reply #5 on:** May 27, 2006, 19:07:31 »

Yup ! - Jubilee clips ! 8)

thumbs · « **Reply #6 on:** May 27, 2006, 19:33:59 »

yup ive done the jubilee clip trip when mine poped out on an offrad trials section

went disloctaion cones in the end as i altered all the rear suspension setup

discograham · « **Reply #7 on:** May 27, 2006, 20:16:14 »

spring back in, clips in the morning... thanks all.....

Budgie · « **Reply #8 on:** May 27, 2006, 21:29:39 »

Make sure that the bottom spring retainers are in good condition, or get some H/D ones from the likes of Paddocks (only about Ã‚Â£4.00 a pair + vat), or you could end up ripping them off and the spring poping from the bottom instead of the top!!

discograham · « **Reply #9 on:** May 27, 2006, 22:45:53 »

sage words... cheers budgie.. will check them out....

Leigh · « **Reply #10 on:** May 27, 2006, 22:59:12 »

Yep definitly go for the HD ones. I had a pair of new standard ones and the jubilee clip pulled the spring out and bent the retainer. It stopped me losing my spring though

discograham · « **Reply #11 on:** May 27, 2006, 23:24:00 »

nothing quite like learning from other peoples experiences... :shock: advice is well taken... many thanks.. :D

way2deep · « **Reply #12 on:** May 28, 2006, 00:42:52 »

the reason they fall out is cos the shocks having longer travel than the springs,so on full articulation they can come unseated..it's not that they were fitted wrongly

Bulli · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2006, 08:56:35 »

for what cones cost now i would definately fit em, then you know its right. Jubilee clips do work but wheres the gain?? You were clearly doing something that required more travel than you spring was capable of without dislocating...so why not improve what you have?

Big Rich · « **Reply #14 on:** May 28, 2006, 11:00:11 »

I have dislocation cones on mine. Work great. No prroblems. I also have a dropper kit to move the dampers down and inch. Greater travel.

I'd definatly go dislocation cones. Mine came from scorpion racing.

Rich

J B · « **Reply #15 on:** May 28, 2006, 16:07:43 »

the problem with fitting jubilee clips is when your nearing full articulation the amount of pull on the spring retainers at the bottom, you risk breaking them, resulting in the spring becoming dislocated at the axle, this is a lot harder to re-locate than if it was at the top

you also loose any grip on that wheel, because the spring is trying to keep the wheel up,

so fit cones 8)

discograham · « **Reply #16 on:** May 28, 2006, 23:13:32 »

One of those weekends I guess... jubilee cliped the springs.. all well for now untill i get the bottom spring retainers...
Now i've blown a shock... :shock: one week old... pro comp are supposed to be very good with their customer service..now I'll find out..

And I think I'll go for cones .... maybe...

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #17 on:** May 28, 2006, 23:18:44 »

Quote from: "jon boy"

the problem with fitting jubilee clips is when your nearing full articulation the amount of pull on the spring retainers at the bottom, you risk breaking them, resulting in the spring becoming dislocated at the axle, this is a lot harder to re-locate than if it was at the top

you also loose any grip on that wheel, because the spring is trying to keep the wheel up,

so fit cones 8)

<shakes head>

here we go again with the same debate,

how is it harder to relocate a spring at the bottom than the top?

the spring if clamped at the top will ALLWAYS go back to the same spot on the axle where as if it dislocates at the top there is variables in where the spring will come back to,angle o the dangle n that [bauble],

funnly enough ive noticed that disco bottom spring retainers are made outa an irn bru tin where as the defender ones are made outa more substantial material,

discograham · « **Reply #18 on:** May 28, 2006, 23:53:50 »

can I just sit this one out and watch the disscussion ? :shock:
I don't really have a clue what's best, what works and what dosen't... that's why I'm here.. to learn from those who know and offer my comments from my experiences... as and when I'm not breaking things ! :oops: :lol:

Bulli · « **Reply #19 on:** May 29, 2006, 08:35:37 »

yes Mike , its one of those arguments....what set up have you got?

Richie_EB4 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 29, 2006, 09:32:50 »

IMHO.........if you have fitted longer shocks and lifted springs then you might as well make use of the extra travel.......fit the dislocation cones and then you wont have this problem again.

I use the reverse dislocation cone set up..........seams to work very well.

rollazuki · « **Reply #21 on:** May 29, 2006, 12:58:41 »

Quote

funnly enough ive noticed that disco bottom spring retainers are made outa an irn bru tin where as the defender ones are made outa more substantial material,

Thats cos Discos are only designed to be Mall Cruisers.....(ask Bulli)

OK guys, start the abuse.

lol

Rolla

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #22 on:** May 29, 2006, 18:39:36 »

Quote from: "Bulli"

yes Mike , its one of those arguments....what set up have you got?

rangie springs Loooooooooooooong shocks,jubilee clips,gives this

got a wee bity more but banking wasnt high enough

J B · « **Reply #23 on:** May 30, 2006, 22:11:35 »

Quote from: "RedlineMike"

Quote from: "jon boy"
the problem with fitting jubilee clips is when your nearing full articulation the amount of pull on the spring retainers at the bottom, you risk breaking them, resulting in the spring becoming dislocated at the axle, this is a lot harder to re-locate than if it was at the top

you also loose any grip on that wheel, because the spring is trying to keep the wheel up,

so fit cones 8)

<shakes head>

here we go again with the same debate,

how is it harder to relocate a spring at the bottom than the top?

the spring if clamped at the top will ALLWAYS go back to the same spot on the axle where as if it dislocates at the top there is variables in where the spring will come back to,angle o the dangle n that bauble,

funnly enough ive noticed that disco bottom spring retainers are made outa an irn bru tin where as the defender ones are made outa more substantial material,

theres no debate, road springs are designed to be compressed, not stretched, and there's not a single company that supplies modded parts for landy's that would say " yeah, fit some jubilee clips mate"

its a boge, dont do it :twisted:

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #24 on:** May 30, 2006, 22:19:46 »

Quote from: "jon boy"

Quote from: "RedlineMike"
Quote from: "jon boy"
the problem with fitting jubilee clips is when your nearing full articulation the amount of pull on the spring retainers at the bottom, you risk breaking them, resulting in the spring becoming dislocated at the axle, this is a lot harder to re-locate than if it was at the top

you also loose any grip on that wheel, because the spring is trying to keep the wheel up,

so fit cones 8)

<shakes head>

here we go again with the same debate,

how is it harder to relocate a spring at the bottom than the top?

the spring if clamped at the top will ALLWAYS go back to the same spot on the axle where as if it dislocates at the top there is variables in where the spring will come back to,angle o the dangle n that bauble,

funnly enough ive noticed that disco bottom spring retainers are made outa an irn bru tin where as the defender ones are made outa more substantial material,

its a boge, dont do it :twisted:

not wishing to seem offensive but on what grounds do you belive that its a bodge & why shouldnt people fit jubilee clips to retain springs

especially after it was highlighted by some1 else that some ARC clubs wont allow you to compete for points with cones fitted?

extreme90 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 30, 2006, 22:30:13 »

some people dont wish to use all their axle travel, they simply fitted a lift kit to gain abit of extra height, y argue over fitting jubilee clips or disc cones, end of the day its his decision, we are only here to help the guy, and arguing bout the solutions doesnt help ! dislocation cones, reverse location and jubilee clips all do the job intended, my friend has simply welded some 5mm flat plate to the spring hangers, yes its stupid but it works a treat.
end of the day they all work so why argue !!

J B · « **Reply #26 on:** May 30, 2006, 23:04:21 »

i'm trying not to argue, its hard not seeing the jubilee clip as a bad idea, it will cause stress on the spring that it wasn't designed for

it doesnt take much for the spring to lower away from the chassis, when longer shocks are fitted

its just poor practice

Henry Webster · « **Reply #27 on:** May 30, 2006, 23:08:24 »

Jubilee clips work fine - I can't break them in the racer and we spend a good proportion of our time in the air - ask anyone who has seen us race! :lol:

I'm not going to get involved in the cones or not debate, only to say that its horses for courses and if you think jubilee clips are a bodge, then so are cones. The real answer are long, progressive springs that do the job. Look at any properly engineered rock crawler or trials vehicle and you will see that they do not settle for springs dislocating.

H

denviks · « **Reply #28 on:** May 30, 2006, 23:10:53 »

for the price of a set of cones its not worth arguing over. i know when i was deciding what suspension kit to fit i looked at every option. when i decided on procomp +2" i knew that i would need a set of cones. not jubile clips. why do half a job. might aswell go the whole hog. if fitting jubile clips you are pulling the spring apart as it drops. so streaching the spring in essence. jubile clips were designed to put preasure on a tube so its strength lies there, and not being pulled on. if it were my truck i would just buy the right gear in the first place. if it was a comp truck and i was gonna be replacing springs all the time then that might be different. this is just my opinion and not wanting to add fuel to the fire so to speak.

Bulli · « **Reply #29 on:** May 31, 2006, 00:33:26 »

Henry, what rock crawlers have you had a look at? not being too sarcy just havent seen many over here. I think you will find that SG have a dislocating top spring and they are one of the foremost modding companies for rock crawling. The spring is allowed to move down and is retained by an opposing spring. Remember the $100000 defender in LRO ...err that had them.Trials machines dont use them as they are against ARC regs so you wouldnt be able to compete. I dont think banning them is a bad thing but people are circumventing it by getting springs with 'redundant' coils at the top.
Big green thing , they dont do the same job at all. How is stopping the spring dislocating by fitting jubliee clips the same as controling the spring to allow it to relocate properly onto the spring seat?A debate is not an argument until voices are raised..or everyone has about 4 pints in them!
Rolla, p**s off

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