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« on: July 16, 2004, 12:11:55 »
This was found at www.thisisryedale.co.uk but I've copy/pasted the text as they don't have an archive as such and the article will disappear in a few days.

Farmer must pay up for rambler's carelessness
by Gazette reporter

A rambler's failure to shut a gate left a farmer with a massive compensation bill after a motorcyclist ran into a calf and was gravely injured.

And the National Farmers' Union says an Appeal Court decision has left farmers nationally taking the rap for wayward walkers.

Alex Wilson, who has farmed at Chop Gate, near Helmsley, for 36 years, argued he was wrongly blamed for motorcyclist Peter Donaldson's injuries.

Mr Donaldson, 40, of Middlesbrough, suffered a shattered left forearm, head and other injuries when his motorbike collided with Mr Wilson's Friesian bull calf on the B1257 Helmsley to Stokesley road in October 2000.

His lawyers say he will be due six-figure compensation.

At Middlesbrough County Court last October, recorder Mr Bullock ruled Mr Wilson had been "careless" and ordered him to pay Mr Donaldson damages.

At London's Appeal Court, Benjamin Browne QC said that decision was "wrong" and a dangerous precedent which meant "farmers up and down the land" would have to install "fail-safe devices" to stop ramblers from leaving gates open.

But Lord Justice Potter, sitting with Lord Justice Rix and Mr Justice Munby, said it was long-established law that farmers must take "all reasonable precautions" to ensure their animals don't stray.

And he added that, in his view, the court's ruling would not place an "undue financial burden" on farmers who are obliged to provide "cattle-proof means of access" to fields crossed by public rights of way.

Although no similar incident had happened before, Lord Justice Potter said the heavy public use of the footpath created an "obvious danger" that someone, "at some stage", would leave the gate ajar.

Mr Browne earlier told the court Mr Wilson had checked his cattle were in their field at about 6pm on the night of the accident.

All agreed a rambler must have left the gate open some time before 10.50pm, when the accident happened.

Mr Browne told the Appeal Court the gate was installed by the national park authority, who did not inform Mr Wilson any further precautions needed to be taken.

Mr Wilson had never had problems with ramblers failing to close the gate.

Mr Browne said recorder Bullock had set an "unrealistically high standard of care".

But Michael Redfern QC, for Mr Donaldson, successfully argued it was wrong to assume that everyone using the gate would be an experienced rambler who knew the country code.

Upholding recorder Bullock's decision, Lord Justice Potter said: "I find it impossible to fault the reasoning of the judge and the conclusions to which it led."
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2004, 20:57:40 »
You watch, some off roader will get blamed for 'scarring the rambler'
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2004, 18:54:51 »
I despair of this country sometimes... regardless of wheter it was a rambler or not, it saddens me that a farmer can be sued for damages because a motorcyclist ran into a calf.

God bless America  :evil:
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2004, 19:52:34 »
I thought that a motorist was automaticaly at fault when it involves livestock. Or is that just horses?
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2004, 19:55:02 »
obviously a calf is sooo small it cannot be seen from at least 300yds..  :roll:

i feel sorry for the calf.

my parents have a couple of rights of way on their farm... NO THEY AINT DRIVEABLE!  :wink:

and on more than one occasion ive had to check on the walkers just in case they've been thick and left CLOSED gates OPEN!

it may be un-PC but its bloody good feeling pelting down a field doing 40mph on a quad making ramblers nervous.. esp if i know its them who left the gate open.. i very sarcastically reminded them that closed gates are there for a reason..

.. when i was small, our hereford bull didnt like strangers in his field.. yes he had his own field..

its odd how fast people can run when  a ton of angry beef comes towards you..

then again he didnt like many people (esp when dad wound him up and chased my dad up a tree and stayed there for 3hrs!)

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2004, 20:03:17 »
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my parents have a couple of rights of way on their farm... NO THEY AINT DRIVEABLE!  :wink:

They are with the land owners permission :wink:
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2004, 20:04:37 »
if your car can climb stiles then go ahead

they used to be byways actually (meaty ones too) but downgraded in late 80's to fp's

but i can still drive them (one bit goes up 1000ft) and through a quarry  :twisted:

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2004, 20:07:46 »
Sounds like a money-making opportunity to me :-)
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2004, 20:09:02 »
Farmers don't need money they already have plenty :lol:
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2004, 20:11:52 »
oooh cue blood boiling!

dont get me started on farmers and money!

its the arable lot which are minted not the dairy/beef ones!

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2004, 20:17:28 »
You sound like my brother-in-law, he is a dairy/beef farmer.
Always pleads povity but has a new 4x4 and a new sodding great big tractor every 2 years!!!!!! :?
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2004, 20:18:46 »
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its the arable lot which are minted not the dairy/beef ones!


But they could be if they found alternative uses for their land.  With discounts for members of a certain club, of course.    :wink:
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2004, 20:19:14 »
all money made is normally ploughed back in.. (scuse the pun!)

then again my cousin who has 5-6k sheep could buy a new tractor with the subsidy he got for having that many sheep

allegedly!

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2004, 20:24:09 »
How to wind a farmer up, mention money, and subsidies :wink:  :wink:
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2004, 20:34:41 »
and what an easy life a farmer has

bound to get the fists curled!

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2004, 20:50:09 »
Up at 5 o'clock, bed at 11 o'clock 365 days a year, in the wind and the rain and the snow.
No holidays unless you pay loads of money the someone to look after the farm who will do it all wrong and cost you loads more money.
Get the blame for all the numskulls that leave the gate open, and the smell of good heathy manure, get paid rock bottom prices by the big supermarkets
Get hammered by the TAX MAN and then along come BSE just in case you have managed to save a bit of cash to spend on your off roader and the the goverment give you a pitance for burning your good health cattle just because a farm 8 miles down the road had one suspect beast.
GREAT LIFE IS IT NOT :cry:  :cry:
Oh yes you have a nice view from you bedroom window (not that you have time to look at it)
Not my idea of fun matey boy.
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2004, 21:07:49 »
nor it is mine and until i went to uni it was what i did so i do know what its like

however there are positives in it too otherwise it wouldnt be worth doing.  

and also that these days unless you get given a farm (inheritance or whatever) then going into farming you are immediately at a loss.

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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2004, 21:19:42 »
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and also that these days unless you get given a farm (inheritance or whatever) then going into farming you are immediately at a loss.
And then you have to sell half of the land to pay the death duties, now I am winding my self up so I am off to the chinese for some nose bag filling.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2004, 21:22:47 »
aye..

hmm chinese.. hmm

had one last night

ooh wife would kill me..!

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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2004, 21:40:55 »
Having one now.
Will very likely want another one in an hour or so. :lol:
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2004, 21:46:44 »
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2004, 21:50:07 »
Death tax that is just so wrong it's it's it's

if i post wot i think i will get baned

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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2004, 21:59:07 »
Too right.
The threshhold should go up from £255,000 (most houses are worth close to that) to £1,000,000 and the royal family should not be exempt!!!
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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2004, 22:05:18 »
NOOO don't start me off on that one or i will get banned.

( the french had a good idea on that front )

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2004, 00:50:15 »
You pay through the nose TAX on every thing. and then you die & the Barstoll's wont more. Bring back window TAX that was fare. thets have a crem TAX 17.5 % on the kilo. ill mannered barstall die just to doge TAX.
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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2004, 17:42:23 »
You feel strongly about it then DM :?:  :?:  :shock:
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« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2004, 22:10:13 »
Yep

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