8v vs. 16v Vitara Engine

[BrumLee]

My wife's Vitara has crankcase compression and she's moaning about the oil leaks and poor fuel return.

Is it viable to change from the 8 valve to 16 valve with CFI or is it too much work   would the carb and manifold from the 8 valve engine fit a 16 valve?

[suzota]

its masses of work, as you have to instal all the ecu to run the injection system

[BrumLee]

its masses of work, as you have to instal all the ecu to run the injection system

Thought it wouldn't be as simple as adding a loom and ECU   It looks like we'll have to stick another 8 valve lump in and continue with the "it's not doing many miles for £15"  :roll:

Thanks anyway  8)

[Evilgoat]

Mines not there yet but still thinking if I dont go the 1.8T VAG engine route I may get an 8V lump and gradually rebuild it as and when so when it does go I have a 'get out'.

You tried strippingthe various breathers out and blowing all the vacuum lines out?

[Paul.K/LuckyTrucker]

Hi there, I don't know what it is about Suzukies but fuel efficient they ain't. My 1.6 Vitara 8v best I could get out of it was about 28mpg and sometimes less. I get the same fuel consumption with my tdi Disco. But then if we wanted good fuel consumption we would buy a Renault Clio or some other Euro Jelly Mould. We drive 4x4 because we like what 4x4s can do so consequently we have to pay for it.
One thing I have heard about the 16v engine is that the heads are prone to cracking between the valves. No doubt there are people out there who can prove me wrong but I would stay clear of them.

Best of luck.

[Evilgoat]

Hi there, I don't know what it is about Suzukies but fuel efficient they ain't. My 1.6 Vitara 8v best I could get out of it was about 28mpg and sometimes less. I get the same fuel consumption with my tdi Disco. But then if we wanted good fuel consumption we would buy a Renault Clio or some other Euro Jelly Mould. We drive 4x4 because we like what 4x4s can do so consequently we have to pay for it.
One thing I have heard about the 16v engine is that the heads are prone to cracking between the valves. No doubt there are people out there who can prove me wrong but I would stay clear of them.

Best of luck.

I've rebuilt two 16V top ends because the vlaves had been 'eaten' Both times was no 1 and no 3 iirc. For definate it was the same cylinders on both. Bothe needed t have the head fairly extensively reconditioned and ended up with oversized valves, flowed and skimmed :)

[P.R.Howler]

Thinking of putting a Transit 2.5td with 5 speed box in my 413 Lwb, if its not too much messin with wiring. Any thoughts on this folks ???

[marjan]

Hi there, I don't know what it is about Suzukies but fuel efficient they ain't. My 1.6 Vitara 8v best I could get out of it was about 28mpg and sometimes less. I get the same fuel consumption with my tdi Disco. But then if we wanted good fuel consumption we would buy a Renault Clio or some other Euro Jelly Mould. We drive 4x4 because we like what 4x4s can do so consequently we have to pay for it.
One thing I have heard about the 16v engine is that the heads are prone to cracking between the valves. No doubt there are people out there who can prove me wrong but I would stay clear of them.

Best of luck.

Yep, I was a bit shocked at the poor MPG for a 1600 but like you say I didn't buy it for the economy, I bought it for the FUN! :lol:  :lol:

(my 2.0 TDCI Mondeo can do over 50 mpg with ease! :shock: )

[Evilgoat]

Thinking of putting a Transit 2.5td with 5 speed box in my 413 Lwb, if its not too much messin with wiring. Any thoughts on this folks ???

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SJ HAS no wiring :)

Seriously, its almost as basic as a series wiring loom :)

[Paul.K/LuckyTrucker]

Hi there, there are many diesel engines more suitable than a transit engine. It is far too heavy for an Suzuki and only 70bhp if it is an old one.
Vauxhall Nova, Peugeot 1.7/1.9 and I am sure there are others.
My Samuria has a 1.6 x flow Ford petrol engine, all the power I want for off roading.
Best of luck

[Mart]

wish mine had a x-flow and some 40's on it lol i'm far more familiar with the simple ford engine with a set of carbs on than that carb if thats what they call it in the sammy, time for a nikki me thinks

[Evilgoat]

Hi there, there are many diesel engines more suitable than a transit engine. It is far too heavy for an Suzuki and only 70bhp if it is an old one.
Vauxhall Nova, Peugeot 1.7/1.9 and I am sure there are others.
My Samuria has a 1.6 x flow Ford petrol engine, all the power I want for off roading.
Best of luck

Theres more than a couple of nice light high power alloy engines around now too. I would imagine most weight less and are more compact than the power plant you have.

[Mr T]

Hey Brummie Lee,
tell me more about these there leaks, my vitara is an 8 valve (i think), it has a constant drip of oil, can't tell where its comin from, cause its all over the side an underneath of the engine.
you know i'm a brumie, but i emigrated to devon. deres more lanes down ere!

[P.R.Howler]

The Transit lump/box is free, or Sierra/5 speed for £50 the whole car, so will decide soon, mine will be an every day motor too, so need something with a bit of reliability to it

[Evilgoat]

Hey Brummie Lee,
tell me more about these there leaks, my vitara is an 8 valve (i think), it has a constant drip of oil, can't tell where its comin from, cause its all over the side an underneath of the engine.
you know i'm a brumie, but i emigrated to devon. deres more lanes down ere!

mine seems to loose it from the rocker cover and the dizzy mounting. Rocker cover was cured by re-torqueing then cover bolts. Not done the dizzy yet.

[BrumLee]

Hey Brummie Lee,
tell me more about these there leaks, my vitara is an 8 valve (i think), it has a constant drip of oil, can't tell where its comin from, cause its all over the side an underneath of the engine.
you know i'm a brumie, but i emigrated to devon. deres more lanes down ere!

Hi Mr T

I've changed the front crank seal twice (in the oil pump) but it just keeps pushing the oil out. the sump had a thick double bead of silicone around it, which I let semi cure, that also blows   Had BP round the other day to look at the front drive, thought they'd found a new oil field  :oops:

[Paul.K/LuckyTrucker]

Hi there, best carb for a Suzie is an SU. Goes up hills without cutting out and I would expect more economical if used on road, no matter what engine it is attached to.

[Mr T]

You know lee that sounds about right, the sump thingy on me vit has lots of orange silicon stuff in the seal, i pressumed thats where somone has tried to repair it before, and there is definately oil comin from the front a bit further up. dunno what the dizzy is you mentioned? but i can live with a bit of a leak, i'm lucky enough to keep the car in me garage and i shove a piece of cardbord underneath engine, every time i pull it out can see its leaked a bit more! but what i don't understand is; have checked the oil level twice a week since i've had the car (couple of months) and the level doesnt seem to have moved. The problem: my missus would scream the road down if it put a miniscule of oil on the drive, so i have to pull it out of garage, put cardboard underneath, shut door down (can't trust these farmers) down the drive, pick up cardboard, hide from wife,then i'm off.

[briane]

Hi, I've just finished transplanting a 1.9 peugeot diesel & 5speed rwd g'box from an FSO Caro Pick up into my 410 ,bought from e -bay for £150. It goes like stink and is really economical even with the 410 transfer box. It does about 70 flat out which is plenty fast enough, and it crawls up anything on tickover. Biggest problem was the rad. I started with a 214 rover but it was'nt big enough. I've juast fitted a Mitsubushi L220 van rad and it runs fine now.I can recommend this transplant.It took about 4 weekends.