Fascist Stae strikes again....

[att]

..So, what do you reckon, you have a property that is empty for six months, the state come in and take it off of you for seven years to house the homeless.
Of course, holiday homes and Govt. grace and favour abodes are exempt of this new law.....
Sod the price of baked beans etc...This stuff is serious.

The USA can take you from your home and take you to the US and put you in prison if they feel you have committed an offence against them or one of their kin` folk. You have no protection from the UK state.

The Police can take your DNA once they have stopped you for any reason, they are building a database.

CCTV is kept for five years of every journey you make in or on your vehicle....

Welcome to the land of the free.........Who are they trying to kid.

I expect the discussion to be approving of the Govt. on all these matters, this forum after all, strikes me of being a little fascist......Or is it merely absence of spinal cord and it`s protective calcium components.....

[strapping young lad]

i think your comments on the first part are quite an eye opener but your feeling of the club being a bit extreme if not hurtful.

all you see is written text, not spoken word.

you might see some nasty replies soon

personally it doesnt bother me cos your opinion is like bum-holes... everyone has one ;)

[Thrasher]

Little confused here att. Can you clarify by PM what you mean by fascist?????

[glaggs]

Things must be getting serious, apparently Jonny Rotten is going to vote Conservative at the next election!

[zippy]

well i didn't see car by the mile tax coming, no really i didn't :p

[schuee]

I can understand your thoughts regarding the current government, they appear to be out and out control freaks.

A recent definition of fascism that has attracted much favorable comment is that by Robert O. Paxton:

"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." (Anatomy of Fascism, p 218)

Though your comment regarding MC,  :?

[Thrasher]

Well...for anyone interested I am a-political. So er.....now I'm just confused ;-) There was a time I thought I was a political athiest - but then I found out what an athiest was! <grin>

[Rangie3.0LtrDan]

I agree with the government using empty houses for the homeless.  Believe it or not there is enough housing for everyone, its just those that are privately rented are hard to get into.  Once on the streets its very difficult to get off them, this is from experience.  Everyone says "try harder" but it doesnt matter how hard you try you cant get anywhere.  Hostels are few and far between, your in a catch 22 situation cos you cant get a job without a house and its nigh on impossible to get a house without a job.

If the house is empty then it should be used for the homeless.  People sit there long enough and complain about these people being on the streets yet when a very good idea comes forwards to get them off the streets then everyone complains.

Also for those that say the homeless put themselves where they are, only a small percentage did, the rest are there through misfortune and generally no fault of their own.

[defenderdan]

If the house is empty then it should be used for the homeless  

Why?  Surely it is my right to leave my house empty for as long as i choose without it becoming a government aproved squat.

[Thrasher]

If you own more than one house - and leave one empty is the case in point here.

[att]

I meant some of the peeps on here strike me as the sort who do like to tow the line somewhat, abide by the LETTER of the law, the sort who would say "If you havn`t got anything to hide, why worry"..
...That is the kind of thing that was said by millions who were then ethnically cleansed from society.....I kid you not.

This Govt. are implementing laws like they have taxes, by stealth, it is not funny, it is no laughing matter.

I was once homeless, 17 years of age, lived in a park and a Morris Oxford etc...I did not stay homeless....However, with hindsight and lot`s of responsibilities, I can see the attraction right now....Opting out of society would be an easier option for a simplified life.

Look at the things we have to do, just to enable us to be on the right side of the law, whilst the politicians can apparently do as they please.

Ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law....But apathy may well be with all the PC bull that we have to endure these days....

I feel as though I do not belong in my own country, I feel stifled, I feel as though I want to leave this country.....You cannot treat everyone as a criminal jst incase they are.

I do not intend to cause unrest or indeed offend anyone, but sometimes you need to get your message across in ways that make people think, for it is those that do not think, and just do, that are the most easily lead.

[att]

If the house is empty then it should be used for the homeless  

Why?  Surely it is my right to leave my house empty for as long as i choose without it becoming a government aproved squat.

Not since the 6th of July this year it is not, you do not have that choice, it has been taken away, and there is nothing that you or anybody else can do about it.

[Edge]

=D>  =D>  =D>  =D> Well said ATT, I agree totally.
But as always & throughout history.... we are disposable pawns in the governments world game.

[att]

Also, you would do well to read up on your rights whilst in another country, the UK is one of the very few countries in the world that does not have any obligation to it`s citizens whilst they are under another countries authority, i.e. whilst you are on holiday and find yourself on the wrong side of the law or you are cuaght up in somthing like a Tsunami, you will be on your own.....It  is truly disgraceful.

[rangerider]

I have to agree with Att. I too have been in the position where finding accomodation has been to all intents and purposes impossible. Last time I rented a house privately, the credit & bankground checks went deeper than for a bloomin mortgage.

On the other hand I hope when the time comes probate on my mother in laws house takes a lot less time than it did for my grandmother!



He he would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.

I tried counting the cctv cameras I appeared on one day, a simple trip into the city, a couple of shops, a coffee and home again.

I gave up at 312 and wasnt even finshed my little expedition.

I have (discounting bank/credit cards, just those that are controlled by some government agency) At least 6 uniques identifying numbers.

[Sider]

Att, I could elaborate and give you a constructive and reasoned answer, but I fear that would definitely go straight over your devoid of reason head.

On the other hand, I could easily descend to your level of intelligence (or lack thereof) and respond to your insult with another, but then that would make us equal, and frankly, I don't think I could live with that sort of reputation.

Funnily enough, I get this weird feeling where those who cry "fascist" tend to be those who are determined to impose their views onto others, regardless. And to be perfectly honest, you seem to fit the description, not only from this tirade, but from previous posts, at least those I can remember.

There was a very wise man who once said (and I am paraphrasing): You see the straw in your neighbour's eye, yet fail to notice the beam in your own. In plain, suitable for dummys English: Look at your own faults before pointing out other's.

To summarise, please collect your fascistoid thoughts, wrap them together, and then park them in your perpetual darkness orifice, you will be doing society a favour.

[laser_jock99]

Not since the 6th of July this year it is not, you do not have that choice, it has been taken away, and there is nothing that you or anybody else can do about it.

Sh*t! I'd better buy the house next door (been on the market 2+ years) before the council move some chavs or assylum seekers in.....

[goblin]

having not been in the unfortunate position of being homeless, but also not wealthy enough to have vacant property i feel middle of the road on this, i feel the government could and should do a whole lot more for the homeless if they spent our taxes more wisely . What gives the government the right to seize privately owned vacant property when there are council propertys boarded up and in disrepair, this is just my opinion and i dont mean to offend any body as there seems to be a fair bit of bickering on here lately.

[att]

Att, I could elaborate and give you a constructive and reasoned answer, but I fear that would definitely go straight over your devoid of reason head.

On the other hand, I could easily descend to your level of intelligence (or lack thereof) and respond to your insult with another, but then that would make us equal, and frankly, I don't think I could live with that sort of reputation.

Funnily enough, I get this weird feeling where those who cry "fascist" tend to be those who are determined to impose their views onto others, regardless. And to be perfectly honest, you seem to fit the description, not only from this tirade, but from previous posts, at least those I can remember.

There was a very wise man who once said (and I am paraphrasing): You see the straw in your neighbour's eye, yet fail to notice the beam in your own. In plain, suitable for dummys English: Look at your own faults before pointing out other's.

To summarise, please collect your fascistoid thoughts, wrap them together, and then park them in your perpetual darkness orifice, you will be doing society a favour.

If you choose to believe the propoganda, then that is entirely your choice.

My level of intelligence may not meet your required standards, but my perception of reality would surely surpass yours every time.
I will not be led into a slanging match, and a personal one at that, I find them tiresome, boring and fruitless, they serve only to make ones self appear superior to others.

Go on, hit me with your intricate and complicated reasons, I will try and understand them.....No, really, I will......Bless.

[Sider]

You misunderstand me. I do not approve or disapprove of the government policies. More often than not, said policies are there, like them or not. If you don't, stand for office and get them changed. If you are not willing to do so, or like many others claim "I don't vote, 'cause it is useless" you have but one reasonable cause of action.

What I strongly object to is being branded fascist, even if by association, by the first Hitler wannabe who happens to walk past the shop. If that concept is too complicated for you to understand, maybe you should seek help. If you want to insult, go visit other forums where people are readily available to accept slander, and they may even take it as part of their "macho", "anarchist", "revisionist", "**add your preferred -ism here" glorification process.

[att]

You misunderstand me. I do not approve or disapprove of the government policies. More often than not, said policies are there, like them or not. If you don't, stand for office and get them changed. If you are not willing to do so, or like many others claim "I don't vote, 'cause it is useless" you have but one reasonable cause of action.

What I strongly object to is being branded fascist, even if by association, by the first Hitler wannabe who happens to walk past the shop. If that concept is too complicated for you to understand, maybe you should seek help. If you want to insult, go visit other forums where people are readily available to accept slander, and they may even take it as part of their "macho", "anarchist", "revisionist", "**add your preferred -ism here" glorification process.

I can actually say, with some professionalism, that it is yourself who is in need of, as you say "help"......That is most definately my very costly, educated and experienced opinion.......Go figure...

[Karen696]

Mmmmm, this raises a few interesting points - does that mean they (the government) will undertake to make the house 'fit' for rental?  Will they okay it with the mortgage company - who can refuse you permission to rent it (often a reason why the house is empty) and finally will they insure it?  because you have to insurance which specifically states that it covers the property being rented out.

I had an empty house on my hands once when my ex husband did a runner, after the divorce but before he had re-mortgaged the house (he couldn't get one and I was too kind hearted - but that was then).

I looked into renting it, I couldn't.  1) because I didn't have the ex's permission, 2) because the boiler while 'safe' did not meet the standards for rented properties, 3) the mortgage company won't give you permission if there are arrears, and finally 4) the insurance would also have cost me a small fortune in the area it was in (not good).

I couldn't sell the house either because I couldn't find the ex to give permission for the sale...  That little phrase on the joint mortgage application 'jointly and severally liable' is a real stinger.  They didn't know where he was so as they knew where I was they came after me for all the debt he had run up.

Aaaaah life, isn't it wonderful?

[Xtremeteam]

yawn  :roll:

[rangerider]

Mmmmm, this raises a few interesting points - does that mean they (the government) will undertake to make the house 'fit' for rental?  Will they okay it with the mortgage company - who can refuse you permission to rent it (often a reason why the house is empty) and finally will they insure it?  because you have to insurance which specifically states that it covers the property being rented out.

Last I read, is that the government would make it fit for rental at the owners expense, and make good at the end of tenancy. Most LA tenancys are assured though, that means little can be done to push anyone out, and as long as the rent is paid (which it will be by benefit) you can stay for eternity and descendants have a right of occupation too.

I also suspect its very much "force Majure" legislation, which means tough waste products to the mortgage co and any one else too.

[Bob696]

For homeless read asylum seekers.

Sider, I have been sat here trying to think of a polite way to say this but I cant. So, please shut up you are starting to sound like a jerk.

[Thrasher]

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com

 :roll:  :twisted:

[v8kenny]

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com

 :roll:  :twisted:

At last - a bit of sense on this thread :lol:

[Eeyore]

The blind power of cyberspace, coupled with folks misguided belief in freedom of speech has led me to decide the following:

I'm locking this thread, dudes.  :roll:

cheers & good night
 8)
Eeyore