Fire Alarm Systems

[Evilgoat]

Anyone know anything about them?

I need to quote for the installation of one to the relevent BS standards. I know as far as qualifications and competancy I'm good but I've not done a new style 2-wire system yet.

In particular need to know about cable requirements, is it still red MICC cable?

[muddysteve]

usually done with firetuff or FP200 these days

much cheaper and easier to work with

[ChrisW]

Will the local fire officer and building control officer accept you installing it (part P and all that) and who's going to put a certificate on it at the end of the day?

Mention pyro these days and most 'kids' on the tools go 'ugh?'  :lol:

What category system will it be? Any monitoring, redcare etc.?

http://www.bsi-global.com/Fire/Detection/index.xalter for a list of associated standards etc. BS5839-1:2002 is the main one. PM me with an email address if you need a copy  

[muddysteve]

The joys of pyro

at least when you finnished a job it looked really good in pyro, not like the modern stuff

pyro and conduit were my speciality  :)

[Evilgoat]

I need to chek out what it'll need yet, have to do a site survay and all. Its a listed building too so I'd rather not have bright red cabling everywhere, least I can make white conduit look less conspicous.

I have a sneaking supicion I might be in over my head with this one, its just something i've been out of for a while, the other aspects of the job are no problem and I'm certified to do them (Intruder, CCTV networking and mains) Just the fire alarm bothers me.

What I could do with is an hour or two of someone's time to talk it over tbh. Theres a serious line of thought that I might start doing this as a sideline and eventually fulltime.

Its all a pain. I could build you a compuer from scratch with compent parts, design you a PCB for it and even write you an OS. A fire alarm cant be THAT hard :)

[ChrisW]

If it's listed then it would more than likely be unsheathed pyro.
Technicalities of installation haven't changed much, loop in-loop out, seperate sounder circuit and DIL switches for addressing the heads / call points etc.

[dew1911]

I could build you a compuer from scratch with compent parts, design you a PCB for it and even write you an OS. A fire alarm cant be THAT hard :)

I might take you up on that one day ;)

[Evilgoat]

I could build you a compuer from scratch with compent parts, design you a PCB for it and even write you an OS. A fire alarm cant be THAT hard :)

I might take you up on that one day ;)

Have two sat in antistat bags in my cupboard ;)

None of the kit I've looked at are using DIP switches. It looks to be the same ID 'biscuit' system used in the intruder alarms. Without actually having a system to hand though I dont know. Now leaning more towards getting it installed, which is a pain.

[Evilgoat]

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End of topic, I cant actually do half the work, so some other lucky sod is gonna get all the monet for this because I dont happen to be a member of the right trade bodies etc etc etc. And way too many unknowns here, what makes it bite even more is

£1300 + for the relevant courses to teach me what I already know!
£130 for the bit of bloody paper telling me what I already know (BS5839)

Fact that its for Bunnie's Pub makes it worse as it now means twice the disruption as I go round and do the non-fire related security jobs too.

Co-Incidence the fire regs just changed and course prices have quadrupled? In short, any idea I had of actually doing this sort of thing as a side job have gone down in flames because of beurocrasy. Second bloody time this has happed. Only last time starting the buisiness would have cost £17000 and then £25k worth of paperwork.

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