and they blame 4x4's!!!!

[bezzabsa]

http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/17102006/325/britain-must-cut-flights-miss-co2-targets-study.html

[muddyjlx]

sounds about right.

clobber the motorist and let the planes go free. :x

[Stormin]

I was out with the dogs around 10.30 Saturday night. Clear sky and full of stars. At one point I counted 9, yes 9, aircraft flying over head.  None military, all civil.

[smog]

Just scanned the details as I am about to be late for work but, I was reading a book written by ‘GOD’ aka Jeremy Clarkson and apparently an aeroplane is as fuel efficient as a ford fiesta simply because of the people carried weight to fuel ratio.

For instance an average 5 seated car being driven from London to Glasgow can only carry at the most 5 people for arguments sake lets say it does 30MPG , a plane doing the same run can carry 500 people and it therefore works out less MPG.

I am not really sure of the MPG of huge aeroplanes but pretty sure they don’t do many miles to a gallon.

Either way just thought I would mention it.

My 4, 4x4’s and my 7 seated kid carrier are staying regardless of how much taxation the government pile on me.  They can also take its present campaign against 4x4’s and shove it up their well lubricated posterior, as can the anti 4x4 lobbyists.

Bored of being victimised because of the vehicles I own and drive.

David

[Skibum346]

"They can have my 4x4 when they prise it from my cold, dead hand!"

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[datalas]

"They can have my 4x4 when they prise it from my cold, dead hand!"

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

But you'll have died from asphyxiation because of it being four wheel drive of course.

[Skibum346]

"They can have my 4x4 when they prise it from my cold, dead hand!"

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

But you'll have died from asphyxiation because of it being four wheel drive of course.

No... starvation & hypothermia... between the cost of road tax and V8 go juice me and SWMBO have will have had no heating and been living on old ship's biscuits and stale water!

 :lol:

[laser_jock99]

I was out with the dogs around 10.30 Saturday night. Clear sky and full of stars. At one point I counted 9, yes 9, aircraft flying over head.  None military, all civil.

You should come down here mate- I can see that many when it's cloudy!!

There are five distinct 'streams' of aircraft above our village:

1) 30,000 feet heading from North to South (usually 3 to 5 aircraft in this line) probably all headed for Heathrow/Gatwick.

2) 20,000 feet heading from Northwest to Southeast (usually 1 or 2 visible in this stream) heading for Luton/Stanstead or the Europe.

3) 10,000 feet heading from West to East planes coming from East Midlands & Birmingham heading out to Europe (ones & twos only).

4) 5000 feet heading from East to West- planes landing into Birmingham & Coventy airports (strangely they arrive in 'waves' typically five planes in a 10 minute slot then there is nothing for half an hour....(I figure it must be something to do with how Birmingham manage the inbound flights?)).

5) 0-5000 feet planes heading from North to South taking off from Coventry (about one flight every half hour thundering over the house roof!) these must be slotted into the gaps of stream 4) to avoid mid air collision (there have been near misses reportedly).


Now I'm not a plane spotter- but I find it fascinating to watch all this nightime activity while having a beer in the garden after a barbeque!

[Garin]

The government want more of your hard earned cash and will only introduce so called green taxes on things they know we will not give up, if the government was serious about reducing flights it would not have approved airport expansion, there are lots of things that could be introduced to reduce carbon emissions but these would invole less tax being collected

[v8kenny]

Now I'm not a plane spotter!

Oh yes you are ! :lol:

[Mudlark]

it's a interesting fact that when you look at it: eviromentalists have only one thought when they speak about saving the world and that is themselves.

In other words whatever they do is only for themselves and not for the world!

[Range Rover Blues]

Well Concorde burns a tonne of fuel per seat, about 3 times the amount a 747 burns on a similar flight, so about 360kg of fuel per seat per flight and most of that goes dring take off, Concorde burns over a tonne getting down the runway, don't know about the 747.

So a family of 4 going on their holidays, that's 8 seats worth (2 flights) or about 2,900kg of fuel for a week in the sun.

That's near £3,000 for us motorists.

[Range Rover Blues]

Cr4p, I don't use that much in a YEAR.

[Mudlark]

Well Concorde burns a tonne of fuel per seat, about 3 times the amount a 747 burns on a similar flight, so about 360kg of fuel per seat per flight and most of that goes dring take off, Concorde burns over a tonne getting down the runway, don't know about the 747.

So a family of 4 going on their holidays, that's 8 seats worth (2 flights) or about 2,900kg of fuel for a week in the sun.

That's near £3,000 for us motorists.

You've forgotten to add in the difference in seats 747 has more seat than a concorde therefore cost is a lot cheaper than you state

[Garin]

Well Concorde burns a tonne of fuel per seat

They are not using fuel any more and it wasn't cattle class that most people use when going on holiday

[Range Rover Blues]

Well Concorde burns a tonne of fuel per seat, about 3 times the amount a 747 burns on a similar flight, so about 360kg of fuel per seat per flight and most of that goes dring take off, Concorde burns over a tonne getting down the runway, don't know about the 747.

So a family of 4 going on their holidays, that's 8 seats worth (2 flights) or about 2,900kg of fuel for a week in the sun.

That's near £3,000 for us motorists.

You've forgotten to add in the difference in seats 747 has more seat than a concorde therefore cost is a lot cheaper than you state

The only reason you don't notice is the lack of TAX on avaition fuel.

[Garin]

The only reason you don't notice is the lack of TAX on avaition fuel.

Thats why you pay Air Passenger Duty which can be over £2000 per flight

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

I wonder if they'll slap a congestion/parking tax on Concorde now? Let's face it, it's the same theory as this new thing they want to bring in.