To HID or not? (Spotlights)

[Xtremeteam]

Just priced up a set of lightforce XGT's against a pair of lightforce 240's,
thing is the 240s use a 100w bulb,the XGT's use a xenon bulb,

thing is what do i choose?


theres about a tank o fuel difference price wise & the light output on the XGT's is more but cany adjust the lense

XGT's
240's

[smo]

How much are you looking to spend, i know dollythew (Jez) is selling military HID spots which are waterproof and bulletproof for not a lot of money, brand new :)

[Xtremeteam]

i cant disclose the exact figure but circa the double ton....

spoke to jez a while back but emailed him the other day n didnt get a reply

[smo]

Cheaper than the mily HID's then.

[Range Rover Blues]

Sorry, ehat's so special about the xenon bulb? most bulb manufacturers are now using it in their standard bulbs (rather than Iodine I think) and have been for a while, so most bulbs are already better than standard, hence the negligeable improvement with the supposedly 30% better ones.

[Sharpshooter]

Look in this months LRO. They are showing a Xenon headlight conversion for most H4 Lights for just over £200. Might be easier than getting expensive spot torn off.  :D

[Xtremeteam]

The XGT's use a genuine HID system & the ballast set up is enclosed in the rear of the lamp...

Have already upgraded the headlights with a crystal light set & uprated bulbs so thats that covered

[Jake]

After a long conversation with Tim regarding the differences between the two models, we concluded that...

XGT's seem like the best route for you Mike.
Go for it bud
 :D

[Xtremeteam]

The XGTs  fitted to a disco 2

[muddyweb]

The XGT's use a genuine HID system & the ballast set up is enclosed in the rear of the lamp...

I think you're confused there Mike...

There is a Lightforce HID, which is what you describe above...  then there is the XGT.. this uses a filament lamp (100W)  A pair of Lightforce HIDs will cost you nearly 4 figures ;-)

The main difference between the XGT and the Blitz 240 is the physical packaging...   the 240 has the focusable housing (like the 140 & 170).   The XGT uses the same packaging as the HID which is a slightly more robust design.

Both share the same waterproofing and mounting characteristics, light output is similar from both.   I'm a fan of the XGT, but either will do the job you want  8)

[Xtremeteam]

in which case i think im gonna go for the 240's.....


Reading from the lightforce site it comes across as the XGT's are a HID lamp..................

[Range Rover Blues]

I would expect a HID for about £200 upwards too, otherwise it's a damn expensive filament lamp.

[dreadnought110]

If any one wants the true difference between hid and halogen pm your email and i'll send you a proper description it make's interesting reading (in a twisted sort of way) 8)  8)

[mmgemini]

Dreadnaught Yes please.
Does it give the lumins of the light.

I remember in early 1960's when quartz-iodine bulbs first came out.
What a difference they made to night driving.

[Range Rover Blues]

Well quartz Iodine is what we've been calling Halogen for years.  The halogen in use has changed recently, I think to xenon.

[Sider]

Isn't HID a similar(ish) principle to a spark plug? I.E. the electric ark between 2 electrodes stimulates the gas in the bulb??

Last I checked, an HID conversion was in excess of £500.

[tomcat]

hope this helps . :roll:  :roll: Understanding Halcyon HID Lighting  
High Intensity Discharge (HID) lighting technology replaces the filament of the light bulb with a capsule of gas. The light is emitted from an arc discharge between two closely spaced electrodes hermetically sealed inside a small quartz glass tubular envelope capsule. To operate, they require ballasts, which supply proper voltage and control current. The amount of light produced is greater than a standard halogen bulb, while consuming less power, and more closely approximating the color temperature of natural daylight.

In all High Intensity Discharge lamps, light is produced by passing a current through a metal vapor. Free electrons colliding with an atom in the vapor momentarily knock an electron into a higher orbit of the atom. When the displaced electron falls back to its former level, a quantum of radiation is emitted. The wavelength of radiation depends on the energy zone of the disturbed electron and on the type of metal vapor used in the arc tube.

Although it produces 5% of its output when first ignited, the HID light requires a few seconds (usually 15-20) to come up to full output. Also, if power to the lamp is lost or turned off, the arc tube must cool to a given temperature before the arc can be re-struck and light produced. Halcyon HID lights only require a brief (15-30 second) cooling period before they can be re-lit.

                          regards john t

[Range Rover Blues]

Ta :D

[steanlol]

Well i've got 7" crystal headlights with H4 HID dip/full beam and wouldn't settle for anything less , HID all the way every time .
There cheap enough off  flebay , maybe you could get the right bulbs and pop them in the spotlights  :?

[paul and sam]

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How much are you looking to spend, i know dollythew (Jez) is selling military HID spots which are waterproof and bulletproof for not a lot of money, brand new
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my question is whos jez? as am intrested in new lamps for the misstress many thanks








and they say this is ment to be fun :(biglaugh):

[mmgemini]

Well quartz Iodine is what we've been calling Halogen for years.  The halogen in use has changed recently, I think to xenon.

QuartzIodine is what they were first called.

Then Thorn managed to produce the H4 and started to call them Halogen.

I have an original H1 plastic holder that the bulbs were supplied in when bought new.

[mmgemini]

Well i've got 7" crystal headlights with H4 HID dip/full beam and wouldn't settle for anything less , HID all the way every time .
There cheap enough off  flebay , maybe you could get the right bulbs and pop them in the spotlights  :?

Could you give me more info on this please.
I've just knackered a pair of Hell headlights so I'm looking to change.
HID could be the way to go but Hella told me that I needed all the bits.

[Sider]

Sorry to put a spanner in the works, but if it is H1, H4, H7, whatever, they are not HID. Many dealers in ebay sell their "ultra bright blue lights" as HIDs, which is at the very least, misadvertising.

[steanlol]

Well i've got 7" crystal headlights with H4 HID dip/full beam and wouldn't settle for anything less , HID all the way every time .
There cheap enough off  flebay , maybe you could get the right bulbs and pop them in the spotlights  :?

Could you give me more info on this please.
I've just knackered a pair of Hell headlights so I'm looking to change.
HID could be the way to go but Hella told me that I needed all the bits.

PM SENT  :)

[steanlol]

Sorry to put a spanner in the works, but if it is H1, H4, H7, whatever, they are not HID. Many dealers in ebay sell their "ultra bright blue lights" as HIDs, which is at the very least, misadvertising.

Obviously you've not seen my headlights , anybody with a little bit of knowledge would know the difference between HID and halogen just by looking at the bulb .
Also HID come in any bulb type you may need .
And last but not least my H4 lights are HID .

[Xtremeteam]

How much are you looking to spend, i know dollythew (Jez) is selling military HID spots which are waterproof and bulletproof for not a lot of money, brand new :)

Seen them & now counting pennies