front page of the times

[TDi90]

anyone seen the front page of the times this morning?
"4x4 sales slump"

[hrox]

arh,  that would probably about the big gas guzzleing monsters there on about.  or is it diesels to?

[Eeyore]

Online version can be found here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2489222,00.html

Yet another piece of balanced reporting by our repsectable broadsheets.  :roll:

cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Government propaganda!

[andyhubbard]

Yes i have and little do our goverment realise what they are doing-already tried to explain this to my daughter this morning so here goes.
It may be a 4x4 and of whatever brand you prefer but i bet it has BRITISH parts on board ie:- QH,MINTEX,FERODO,BOSAL,GKN and the rest so my point is Mr BLAIR-you may get money from taxes but what about the increase in unemployment and the amount of companies going on short working weeks or even worse closing down. I seem to remember a company called ROVER not so long ago. RANT OVER.

I'm an easy going type of guy but feeling the only good poilitician is a DEAD one,regards Andy.

[Rich_P]

“The Chelsea mums used to go for them but they now want something more environmentally friendly, like the Toyota Prius,” he said.

A Prius as more enviromentally friendly?  Can they really only think about the miles to the gallon that the vehicle is supposed to be able to do?  :?

[Grant]

whats the betting that ALL car sales fell?  :roll:

[mmgemini]

whats the betting that ALL car sales fell?  :roll:

Ah !! but !!! They wouldn't have anything to use as a flogginbg horse would they.

Neither would that make good reporting.

Notice also that there's never any comment about "ordinary" large saloon gas guzzeling cars that in some cases do less MPG than the Chealsea Tractor.

[blackbob]

Sian Berry, co-ordinator of the Alliance Against Urban 4x4s, said the group’s campaigning appeared to have succeeded. “But there is a hard core who don’t care about the environmental impact or the hazard they pose to pedestrians and cyclists.”

what a load of c##p to say we dont care about the environment is a bit un fair wounder how much this lot do for the environment
not all 4x4er are evil anti green

[sulley]

Prius more environmentally friendly??  That'll be the ones that the Fire Brigade have commented on as being dangerous after an accident as the whole car has been known to become electrified!!!!!!

How many of these so called environmentally friendly motors will be kept by their owners for years? How many will do well over 150K miles?  Pah, they're just throw away heaps of metal.

LONG LIVE LAND ROVER, VIVE LE REVOLUTION!!!

Tell ya what, come the revolution - Politicians, Bank Managers and Tree Hugging Hippy M***********S First for the firing squad!!!

[Range Rover Blues]

Surprisingly, in real life a Mondeo will struggle to better 35 MPG, the diesel Modo is little better.  The BMW 5 series Diesle manages about 30 plus if driven carefully but not the auto, oh unless it's the 2.8 Turbo diesel in which case it won't beat 25 mpg.

The bigger Merc coupes weigh in at around 1800kg but can't carry more than 2 people, tow a caravan or cope with bad weather.

None of the above will still be around in 20 years.

So why exactly is my 4x4 the biggest environmental terrorist?


Just a thought, but what are they towing their bandwagon with

[Range Rover Blues]

I herard on the radio this moring that there is another fule price hike coming, surprise surprise.  Just after we reap the benifits of a supermarket price war the chancelor sticks his fat f******hands in my poskets again.  The reporter said it will hit the drivers of 4x4.  Not drivers of big people carriers then? not drivers of white vans, drivers of Subaru imprezza (god are they thirsty).

[Evilgoat]

I herard on the radio this moring that there is another fule price hike coming, surprise surprise.  Just after we reap the benifits of a supermarket price war the chancelor sticks his fat f******hands in my poskets again.  The reporter said it will hit the drivers of 4x4.  Not drivers of big people carriers then? not drivers of white vans, drivers of Subaru imprezza (god are they thirsty).

I know I drive a thirsty car and TBH I pay for doing so. Managed to burn £10 of fuel going to portsmouth and back last night. I'm also aware that even Bagheera isnt as bad on fuel as the Audi is and yet thats being singled out and I'm not.

Audi used the same engine as mine in thousands of cars, most are still on the road. Admittedly not as bad on fuel as mine but close. I also know people with XJS12's Carrera's, a Senator 3.0 CD, and a Chimera, all of which must be harbingers of ecological armageddon if the 4x4 is an eco terrorist.

I Know we are close to the breaking point of the patience of the UK population, I'm just hoping it snaps soon.

I'm also curious how price changed aimed at 4x4s will work.

[laser_jock99]

It's actually really good news GOOD news for 4x4 drivers if you think about it!

Lets face it- the first owner of a brand new 4x4 (the 'Chelsea Tractor' bunch shall we surmise) will never take the car offroad.

The second owner (a wanna be 'Chelsea Tractor' type or possibly a 'mum to school' type) will never take the car offroad.

It's the THIRD OWNWER and subsequent owners who might actually get the vehicle muddy.

THIRD OWNER THEORY- you read here first!

So what if used values plunge- who cares?

First owner 'Mr Chelsea Tractor' has too much money to care anyway. Second owner 'Mum to school' will be driving an even less environmentaly friendly people carrier and 'Mr Offroader' gets a bargain luxury 4x4 for peanuts.

Everyone's a winner!

[Grant]

some people are so clueless- they'll fill up their mondeos for £60, pay £200 road tax then laugh when they hear about taxes on "gas guzzling 4x4's" going up in the news!