HELP NEEDED

[chris.hunt22]

I am trying to help our groups GLASS rep out here, please check what other people have put so not to duplicate but I need to know the wheelbases, lengths, widths and weights of all 4x4 models that would use greenlanes to try and help keep one open, If you could put for example DISCOVERY SERIES 2 in the subject then it would be easier to see what has been done.  Thanks in advance!!  Chris :)

[Eeyore]

You might find this useful for some pointers  

http://www.4x4prejudice.org/sizematters.php

Cheers
 8)
eeyore

[Range Rover Blues]

RRC 100 inch
RRC LSE and P38 108 inch

Defender 90, about 92 1/2" IIRC
101, as the name suggests, likewise the 109,88,110 etc.

Defeder 130 about 127 inches.

Not sure about the track but they are all the same, well all coilers are anyway.

Just as a guide, my RRC is about 2 inches wider than my nissan Micra.

[agent006]

Taken from LR data.

FREELANDER
Overall length (inc. 195/80 spare wheel/tyre): 14 ft 6.5 in (4433 mm)
Overall length (inc. 215/65 spare wheel/tyre): 14 ft 7.5 in (4459 mm)
Overall width (inc. mirrors) 6 ft 9.4 in (2068 mm)
Overall height † (excl. roof bars and cross rails) 5 ft 7.2 in (1708 mm)
Overall height † (inc. roof bars and cross rails): 5 ft 11.9 in (1828 mm)
Wheelbase 8 ft 4.7 in (2557 mm)
Ground clearance (minimum) † 7.3 in (186 mm)
Curb weight 3109 - 3572 lb (1694 - 1717 kg)
Max gross vehicle weight 4560 lb (2060 kg)
Max rear axle load 2480 lb (1120 kg)
Max. front axle load 2391 lb (1080 kg)

DISCOVERY S1
Overall length (including spare wheel) 177.9 in (4521 mm)
Overall width 70.6 in (1793 mm)
Overall height (open sunroof) 79.0 in (2005 mm)
Wheelbase 100 in (2540 mm)
Track front/rear 58.5 in (1486 mm)
Width between wheel boxes 42.5 in (1080 mm)
Curb weight (with no options) 4453 lb (2020 kg)
Max front axle weight 2668 lb (1210 kg)
Max rear axle weight 3572 lb (1620 kg)
Gross vehicle weight 6019 lb (2730 kg)

DISCOVERY S2
Overall length (including spare wheel) 185.2 in (4705 mm)
Overall length (including tow hitch) 185.2 in (4705 mm)
Overall width (with mirrors folded) 74.4 in (1890 mm)
Overall height (air suspension in normal mode) 77.5 in (1969 mm)
Overall height (open sunroof) 78.0 in (1980 mm)
Wheelbase 100.0 in (2540 mm)
Track - front 61.6 in (1540 mm)
Track - rear 61.4 in (1560 mm)
Curb weight (excluding options)
Weight Coil spring vehicles 4576 - 4853 lb (2070 - 2195 kg)
Weight Air suspension vehicles 4630 - 4908 lb (2095 - 2220 kg)

RANGE ROVER
!!NO DATA IN RAVE!! anyone else know?

RANGE ROVER P38
Overall length (bumper to bumper) 185.6 in (4713 mm)
Overall width (excluding door mirrors) 74.4 in (1889 mm)
Overall height (at STANDARD ride height) 71.6 in (1818 mm)
Wheelbase 108.1 in (2745 mm)
Track - front 60.6 in (1540 mm)
Track - rear 60.2 in (1530 mm)
Curb weight 4787 lb (2171 kg)
Max. front axle weight 2910 lb  (1320 kg)
Max. rear axle weight 4056 lb  (1840 kg)
Gross vehicle weight 6129 lb (2780 kg)

RANGE ROVER L322
Overall width 86.3 in (2191 mm)
Overall width (mirrors folded) 79.1 in (2009 mm)
Overall height
- Access height 71.7 in (1820 mm)
- Motorway height 72.4 in (1840 mm)
- Standard height 73.3 in (1863 mm)
- Off-road height 75.3 in (1913 mm)
Wheelbase 113.4 in (2880 mm)
Overall length 195 in (4950 mm)
Overall length (including tow hitch - to centre of tow ball) 197.4 in (5015 mm)
Track:
- Front 64.1 in (1629 mm)
- Rear 64.0 in (1626 mm)
Approximate curb weights
- All vehicles 5379 - 5666 lb (2440 - 2570 kg)
Maximum gross vehicle weight
- All vehicles 6724 lb (3050 kg)

My copy of the manuals doesn't have data on the Disco 3 or RR Sport.  Hope this lot helps.

[Defender]

I've finally registered for the forum. :D
Thanks Chris for starting this thread.  All info will be useful.
I've been at a meeting today with the Lake District National Park regarding the Permit TRO system in operation on Gatescarth Pass. There will be changes as of 1st April 2007.
There will be a maximum wheelbase limit of 100 inch which will be part of the TRO schedule as it has been noted that longer wheelbase vehicles are struggling on this route without causing damage to the terrain.
The Guidlines for permit holders will also be re-written.
We still need vehicle info though. Only vehicle wheelbase info will be needed along with make/model & year.

I will post more details about this subject in the near future.

[chris.hunt22]

OK Paul, no more Disco's on the pass :(  :(

[chris.hunt22]

I have just read the data supplied by Agent 006 (thanks for that   ) discovery S1 is 100", bonus!!

[Eeyore]

Uh, Gatescarth Pass, as in, used by Kendel Mountian Rescue - with a number of 110 ambulances?

I know they'll be exempt from any TRO, but.......

It's not vehicle length that causes the problem on the Pass, but driving technique.  :?

Just something worth considering

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[Defender]

Driving technique does come into it, but you can't legislate for this. The fact remains that the longer wheelbase vehicles are causing problems as some of the hairpin bends are very tight & very steep.
The guidlines will be made clearer that only the most experienced drivers should use this route, but this can't realisticly be written into the TRO conditions. Who's going to decide what 'Off Road' or 4x4 qualifications are deemed suitable before using this route & how many people actually have some form of formal qualifications?
As I see it, it's better to work with the National Park on this and come up with a compromise (which I think we have), rather than a complete ban.
This route is under close scrutiny from all parties including many anti groups & I believe the government are watching the situation as this is ground breaking use of a TRO. Most people see a TRO as a complete closure but this does not have to be the case.

And yes, the Mountain Rescue are probably exempt from the TRO as they will be allowed to access the fells.

[Jonno]

Just had a tape measure out to the Niva for the wheelbase measurement, all other measurements seem to be in the owners handbook. These measurements cover the Niva range - Cossack and Hussar in standard trim.

Wheelbase ........................  2.2m   (86.5" approx)
Overall length.....................  3.74m (147.25")
Overall width inc mirrors...... 1.68m  (66")
Height ............................... 1.64m   (64.5")

Kerb Weight ...................... 1210Kg  (2662 lb)
Gross weight ..................... 1610Kg   (3542 lb)

Hope that's of some help to you Chris

[Range Rover Blues]

Classic Range Rover is the same chassis and Disco 200/300, or actually vice-versa.

So other than the LSE they are all 100 inch, or slightly less if lifted

If it's the turning circle causing problems then don't forget that big tyres screw things up.

[Defender]

For more info on this subject see: http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=35714

[Manicminer]

I have a SWB Isuzu Trooper 'P' reg and the wheelbase is 96 inches.

[chris.hunt22]

Thanks to all for these, keep em coming, sj410's, fronteras, patrols etc?

[Defender]

We seem to have the Land Rover range of vehicles pretty much covered. How about all you Far Eastern 4x4 drivers? Oh, and the American ones such as the Jeep range.

[Jonno]

I have included the Lada Niva already a few posts back!

[muddycarl]

LWB Fronty.....2760mm.....108.7in
  front track....1440mm.....45.7in
  rear track......1445mm....56.9in

SWB Fronty........2330mm.....91.7in
front track..1485mm...58.5in
rear track...1490mm...58.7in

[FBF]

ford bronco II  84-90 = 94 inch wheel base

and this covers all the jeeps

    
Wrangler JK (2007)    95.4 or 116 ("Unlimited" version)
Wrangler TJ (1997-2006)   
93.4
Wrangler YJ (1987-1995)   
93.4
Grand Cherokee (WJ/ZJ)   
105.9
Cherokee (XJ)   
101.4
Comanche (MJ - long bed/short bed)   
119.9/113
Commander    109.5
Compass    103.7
Liberty    104.2
CJ-8   
103.5
CJ-7   
93.5
CJ-6 (1972 - 1981)   
103.5
CJ-6 (1955 - 1971)   
101
CJ-5 (1972 - 1986)   
83.5
CJ-5 (1955 - 1971)   
81
GPW, MB, CJ-2A, CJ-3A, CJ-3B, M-38   
80
M-715   
126
J10, J20 long bed/short bed   
131/119
Wagoneer (1971 - 1991)   
109
Wagoneer (1963 - 1970)   
110
Jeepster (1972 - 1973)   
104
Jeepster (1967 - 1971)   
101
J-2000   
120
J-3000   
126
J-3800   
132
Willys Wagon   
104
Willys Truck   
118