Who Asked about Vista

[Evilgoat]

OK, it turns into a rant but its funny as hell and he has some valid points :)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/

[thermidorthelobster]

It was me :)

Not got my copy yet (probably won't for many weeks) so it's academic so far.

But I've not heard a single person who has tried it say they'd recommend installing it.

Next thing I want to know is, what is going to be incompatible with the 64bit version.  Off to Google...

[strapping young lad]

same things were said when xp first came out and i still prefer 2000 to be honest

you can get 64 bit xp though so if you want to wait until vista is out 64 bit you can do that. (for all i know vista 64 is already out)

ive not seen vista for myself yet though just media blurb on tinterweb

[Tailendcharley]

:)  :) Yes indeed,quite funny at times...anyone got this new system installed....when my present computer decides to die I'm certainly going to take a very close look at Apple if only because I can't stand Bill Gates.


 :)  :) Terry Smith  

[BrumLee]

Not only is the operating system expensive but I need to upgrade my memory (£60), upgrade my graphis card (£120) change my new epson printer and scanner as they're not compatible (well hey, whose ever heard of epson anyway  :roll: )

Why whenever microsoft bring out a new OS don't they make it back compatible  :?:  

[Drift]

Got my free upgrade on its way, Im terriffide of instaling it now :shock:
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[07DefenderSeb]

Apple all the way. I've had them for nearly four years and I love them. So fast, don't crash and walk all over PCs and Windows.

I will NEVER buy a windows based PC ever again. More and more people are seeing the light. I know this sounds like an ad for Apple, but once you've used one you will see how user unfriendly Windows is.

[Horness]

If I could buy OSX for my current hardware (Quad-Core x86 based), I would.  This would be the ideal rival to Vista as well.

I borrowed a friends Macbook Pro before Christmas, and won't let him have it back.  :twisted:

[strapping young lad]

im tempted by apple but it means buying a new machine

i dont see why people HAVE to feel the urge to go to vista.

if xp works then why remove it for something thats not had long term end user testing (i dont mean the ms version of testing) but the proper testers,... ie you and me.

i dont think i will get it for the forseeable future until the hype has died down

[V8MoneyPit]

I have just ordered a new laptop from Dell. When I looked earlier in the week they were only offering Vista. When I ordered it yesterday, the whole 'build' process had changed.... the first thing they asked was do I want Vista or standard XP. I have opted for standard XP. I don't want some fancy graphics eating the processor power or memory! XP is bad enough for absorbing your hard earned processor power. My, now dead, old laptop ran ME. I was more than happy with that.

[jiffyman]

I am seriously considering a Laptop for video and photo editing, its so confusing, but a few friends have apple products and sing their praises!

[Yoshi]

OSX on the mac is absolutely fantastic, but for ease of use its got to be Windows.

I am running vista and i cant fault it, also there was alot of testing for it, i for one had copies of longhorn over the past couple of years, which eventually turned into vista.

[thermidorthelobster]

OSX on the mac is absolutely fantastic, but for ease of use its got to be Windows.

I'd have to disagree with you there. I find the Mac a heck of a lot more straightforward than Windows.

[07DefenderSeb]

OSX on the mac is absolutely fantastic, but for ease of use its got to be Windows.

I'd have to disagree with you there. I find the Mac a heck of a lot more straightforward than Windows.

I agree. Macs cut out all the Window's five-ways-to-do-the-same-thing problems.

[thermidorthelobster]

Example:

You're working on a photo in Photoshop and want to email it to somebody.

Windows:  save the file in Photoshop.  Remember where you've saved it.  Go to your Mail client, click New Mail, fill in address & subject.  Click Attach.  Navigate through the folders to where you saved the photo (hope you remembered where it was...  and if you saved it in the default folder in Photoshop, hope you know where that folder is).  Click Attach.  Send mail.

Mac:  save the file in Photoshop.  Drag the icon from the window's top bar to the Mail icon in the Dock.  Fill in address & subject.  Send mail.

(OS X will automatically create a new Mail message and attach the file to it.  You don't have to care less where it's saved.)

[Evilgoat]

Example:

You're working on a photo in Photoshop and want to email it to somebody.

Windows:  save the file in Photoshop.  Remember where you've saved it.  Go to your Mail client, click New Mail, fill in address & subject.  Click Attach.  Navigate through the folders to where you saved the photo (hope you remembered where it was...  and if you saved it in the default folder in Photoshop, hope you know where that folder is).  Click Attach.  Send mail.

Mac:  save the file in Photoshop.  Drag the icon from the window's top bar to the Mail icon in the Dock.  Fill in address & subject.  Send mail.

(OS X will automatically create a new Mail message and attach the file to it.  You don't have to care less where it's saved.)

Or Save picture, right click and select send to....

Or drag/drop

Its depends on the programs you use with windows.

[thermidorthelobster]

Or Save picture, right click and select send to....

Or drag/drop

Its depends on the programs you use with windows.

My point exactly.

[Mudlark]

I have a PC and a Mac sat in front of me - guess which one I use 99.99999% of the time?

It's time to get a Mac. If you're thinking of upgrading to Vista, you'll probably need a new computer. Why not get a Mac? It's simpler, more secure, and way more fun. And it works with the stuff you already have, like printers and cameras. So before you upgrade anything, you owe it to yourself to check out a Mac.

                            No Contest!!

[ian_s]

there is nothing a mac can do that a windows PC cant.
there is nothing a windows PC can do that a mac cant. oh except play decent games.

oh, and the latest macs? same hardware architecture as a PC.
you can install mac OSX on a PC, and you can install windows XP on a mac.

ease of use is down to each individual user and how they think.
personally i like having 5 ways to do things
i like being able to choose what software i run.

thats why i use linux.
i wont be touching vista until at least service pack 1 as it will be buggy as hell, and also its hardware requirements are silly.

[BigA]

i have been using Vista for months, i was a beta tester since RC1, and i cant find a fault with it, in its final release. I use it live on my machines at work, being a Network Administrator in a local college, i get to give it a good and thorough testing. We have tried it on older, lower spec' machines and will still run, but some of the graphical bits are lost.

If you are happy with XP, then stick with it, if you do a lot of video, music and picture stuff, it may be worth moving to Vista. I have still to upgrade at home, but i miss not using Vista now when on an XP machine.

As for the Windows, MAC argument, this will never end, we cater for both here, and most of the MAC laptops are now being configured duel boot, Vista, MAC OSX lol

Just my bit  :)

[thermidorthelobster]

there is nothing a mac can do that a windows PC cant.
there is nothing a windows PC can do that a mac cant. oh except play decent games.

oh, and the latest macs? same hardware architecture as a PC.
you can install mac OSX on a PC, and you can install windows XP on a mac.

Point of order, you can't install OS X on a PC, without a lot of headaches and breaking the licensing agreement.

I'm not sure I really agree with your point.  You could actually do anything you could do on a Mac OR a PC on a pen and paper if you wanted.  But that's missing the point entirely.  You would only do that if you were a masochist.

The reason I use the Mac wherever possible is that I can do what I want to, quickly, reliably and securely, compared to a PC where I have to work harder to get the same results, have more reliability problems, and have to spend more admin time keeping the system secure and stable.

You can dual-boot a Mac into either Windows or OS X, but in practice most Macs spend 95% of their lives running OS X.  Why?  Because most users realise it's a better way to work.  I've used PCs since the days of DOS, and Macs for about 4 years, and the only reason I still use a PC is because it's cheaper to buy the hardware where I'm going to be lugging the machine round a school all the time and might damage it.

And just to really stoke the flames...
http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/915.gif

[Mudlark]

Like that thermidorthelobster :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:




Actually you can make more money with pc users because people rarely understand them so they need to be taught to use them and massive amounts of money can be made out of businesses, just supplying them with custom databases which they then need to be taught how to use :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[narked]

Point of order, you can't install OS X on a PC, without a lot of headaches and breaking the licensing agreement.

And M$ have been given a hard time for years for bundling IE with Windows. Apple insist on you only being able to use OS X on their own hardware, even though it's capable of running on other standard PC hardware. "Why buy a new PC just to run Vista? Buy a new Mac instead, for more cash for an equivalent machine, and have a much more limited choice of applications to use, not just compared to Vista, but compared to XP which is working perfectly well now on your current machine!".

Maybe I'm biased, but I was put off Macs for life in school. The only good thing about 'em was being able to play Dino Park Tycoon! Yup, Windows is far (far far far!) from perfect, but as far as having a wide selection of software packages/games to choose from goes, currently it's still infront as far as I'm concerned.

But it has to be said, I'm not convinced with Vista either. Don't think XP had actually hit the shelves before they'd started working on it, just another way of getting you to keep putting money in their coffers. Also think they're being a bit on the sneaky side with the various different versions. Seems a lot of machines are coming equipped with the most basic version, which seems to be a ploy to get people essentially purchasing it twice, due to the limitations they may come across, making them upgrade to one of the "more powerful" or rather "less restricted" versions.

[thermidorthelobster]

And M$ have been given a hard time for years for bundling IE with Windows. Apple insist on you only being able to use OS X on their own hardware, even though it's capable of running on other standard PC hardware.

Yeah, you're right, this is a bit pot and kettle.  One reason for this is that Apple make a lot more money selling their own hardware than they would just selling the O/S.  However, there's another dimension to it too - one of the reasons Macs are reliable is that the people who write the O/S have a lot of control over the hardware platform too.  So you benefit from the unified platform;  I think this is partly why Mac aficionados don't complain too loudly about the lock-in.  If XP only ran on hardware built by Microsoft, it'd probably have fewer reliability problems.

Buy a new Mac instead, for more cash for an equivalent machine, and have a much more limited choice of applications to use

In practice, there is a wealth of software available for the Mac.  I've found very few bits of PC software where I can't find an equivalent or better for the Mac.  Unless you have a particular bit of software in mind, this generally isn't a reason for not getting a Mac, and besides, you can boot into XP anyway.  So with a Mac you can run all your Windows AND Mac software.  Like I said, though, most people don't bother too much with booting into Windows after a while.

Maybe I'm biased, but I was put off Macs for life in school.

When was this?  Apple had a major architecture change in 2001 and if you were using Macs running OS 9 before then, you'd find a huge difference.  I used Macs at college and found them a bit lacking in some respects, but since OS X was introduced they've changed pretty significantly.

[narked]

Have to admit it was older generation macs I was using :P Infact the last ones we used in school were pre-iMac. Think I was in year 8 (around '97) when they got rid of all the Macs in our school (having said that they were still using BBCs in the Maths depth!) so I haven't really used any more recent Mac systems properly, other than having a quick play on a laptop in one of the new Apple stores in Manchester over Christmas. Have to admit it look nice, but no matter how well the software is tailored to the hardware, it's nice to have the freedom to run it on a different machine without breaking the terms of the user license.

Ok, so yeah, a lot of the software I could get "equivalent" for OS X. For some of the work I do, I use AutoCAD 2007 and 3D Studio Max 9. Now sure, I could get "equivalent" software for the Mac, but not the same. The same way a Shogun is equivalent to a Discovery. They achieve the same thing, but how they go about it is different. It's a matter of personal taste and what you become accustomed to. The time I spent in school and 6th form, we didn't touch anything other than Windows machines, and personally I do have to admit that on an A level Computing course (as in programming and architecture, not basic IT), you'd expect them to teach at least 1 module on alternative systems, but they don't. And because of this, Windows is what I'm comfortable with. Before I moved to Wales, and I had a couple of spare machines lying around, I had 2 set up as Linux systems, 1 running Smoothwall to provide the firewall and routing for the home network, and another just to play about with. And (I'll probably get lynced for this) although it can be quite interesting to play with, it's a long way from providing any real competition to either Apple or Microsoft. It's great if you know what you're doing, and how to work around problems, but otherwise forget it.

I'd love to give OS X a chance, but there's only 2 ways to do so, either break the license and work around a load of hacks to install it on a PC, or buy a new computer.

[Evilgoat]

1 running Smoothwall

Bloody good software that, Ahem :)

[narked]

Heh, yeah. Did the job anyway! You wouldn't happen to be biased about that now would you...

[Evilgoat]

Heh, yeah. Did the job anyway! You wouldn't happen to be biased about that now would you...

Nah,never, not me :)

I ocasionally flip over to this when I need to do a few choice jobs that the PC just cant do :

[ian_s]

Point of order, you can't install OS X on a PC, without a lot of headaches and breaking the licensing agreement.

but it can be done.

[thermidorthelobster]

Yes, that's why I said it couldn't be done without a lot of headaches and breaking the licensing agreement.  Otherwise I would have said it can't be done.  It doesn't work very well;  so it's a bit pointless really.