Topic: Anyone know about this (Read 1507 times)

Drift · « **on:** March 28, 2007, 21:14:56 »

As above
The Morcambe Bay tidal byway

A guy was asking my advise about it but I havent heard of it before.
Ste

redhand · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2007, 21:33:48 »

Quote from: "Drift"

As above
The Morcambe Bay tidal byway

A guy was asking my advise about it but I havent heard of it before.
Ste

Starts at Grid Ref SD 46882 66925 ends at 39752 75635

Make sure you've got a good tide table and have a chat with the local cocklers and fishermen before you venture out on to the sands.

Drift · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2007, 21:37:47 »

Ive no intention of doing it :shock: :lol: :lol:

I was actually trying to talk a guy who is new to 4x4's into not doing it

Just needed a bit more info
Cheers for that Red :D

Skibum346 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2007, 21:38:44 »

It does exist.... not something to be tackled one Sunday when you feel like it! :shock:

Check out the OS 1:50,000 map at GD SD468669

Not too far from where a load of chinese cockle pickers had a bad day. If it can swallow them... think what it can do to 2 tonnes of LR or whatever!

Skibum

Drift · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2007, 21:40:11 »

Cheers Ski, got the cocklers as ammo to use

Ste

Skibum346 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 28, 2007, 21:40:37 »

B**ger! As my old PTI used to say... "Too slow! Down ten!"

Well done Redhand....

Drift... glad to hear your a sensible one... good luck disuading!

hobbit · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2007, 21:48:34 »

I believe there is local guides that can take you over there though, if they think someone is able to do so they will soon tell them yes or no

C C · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2007, 21:56:43 »

How about posting the grid ref on the Ramblers walking forum... :twisted:

waveydavey · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2007, 22:05:05 »

have a look on www.wet-roads.co.uk as well, I think it's on there.

As has been said it's a good way to loos yoru motor and that is the lucky result.

"the tide comes in faster than a galloping horse"

Years ago it was a shortcut to scotland (with guides) hence the byway existance but even then loads of people on jhorseback were lost unable to outrun the tide.

Even the RNLI use hovercraft!

Llanigraham · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2007, 22:07:52 »

Didn't LRO do it a couple of years ago and had a problem with one of the motors right at the end?
Do know that you MUST have a guide because the tides move the channels and softsand around all the time.

redhand · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2007, 22:09:49 »

Quote from: "waveydavey"

have a look on www.wet-roads.co.uk as well, I think it's on there.

As has been said it's a good way to loos yoru motor and that is the lucky result.

"the tide comes in faster than a galloping horse"

Years ago it was a shortcut to scotland (with guides) hence the byway existance but even then loads of people on jhorseback were lost unable to outrun the tide.

Even the RNLI use hovercraft!

Most of the cocklers drive on to the sands in 4x4's They know the sands, and tides like the back of their hands and even they carry a small boat on the back as a safety measure in case they break down. Oh and the wetroads site is www.wetroads.co.uk

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2007, 22:10:10 »

theres an alvis stalwart out there that got stuck & the tide swamped it..

Oh it was being piloted by a cocklefisherman at the time aswell

Ben · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2007, 22:35:53 »

Quote from: "Llanigraham"

Didn't LRO do it a couple of years ago and had a problem with one of the motors right at the end?
Do know that you MUST have a guide because the tides move the channels and softsand around all the time.

LRO did do a trip a few years ago. They had one of the local guides with them, and they warned "readers" against trying it... I've just had a quick look through, but I can't find the issue. Have a look on www.lro.com and there may be some details on there.

It's well worth recommending your friend to NOT go there.

Ben

blueboar · « **Reply #13 on:** March 29, 2007, 05:48:07 »

If anything went wrong these chaps wouldn't be too happy

http://www.morecambelifeboat.org/

Also just been on the Westmoorland Gazette http://www.thisisthelakedistrict.co.uk/ and found this

http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/search/display.var.563214.0.crossing_could_be_closed_to_cocklers.php.

Budgie · « **Reply #14 on:** March 29, 2007, 10:49:01 »

[puts on Coastguard hat]

I would advist your friend that to go onto the sands without the correct knowledge and without a guide could cost the lives of anyone in the vehicle. It has happend before.
There are area of sinking sand in the bay that will swallow a 4x4 with no problems and, as the others have said, you can't outrun the flooding tide.

If he must do the trip then take a Marine VHF radio to call the Coastguard in an emergency, mobile phones are great but it takes time to get a location from a mobile and then it's only a very inaccurate one. The Coastguard have direction finders for VHF so can they can narrow down the postion alot faster.
Also tell Liverpool Coastgard about the trip, when they set off and when they arrive on the other side. They will also be able to advise on the tide and weather conditions. Contact details are in the phone boox or at http://www.mcga.gov.uk.

laser_jock99 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 29, 2007, 13:12:04 »

FROM WETROADS

Morecambe Bay Tidal Byway
SD455675 (3*) Tidal
Sent in by John Brown

'The longest road of its kind is the old coach road across Morecambe Bay (also shown on the OS 1:50k as a BOAT - how appropriate - from 97/SD 469669 to 397756; a distance of 12.1 km). Where of course you are at considerably greater risk from the incoming tide: it comes in fast (because of the much greater distance between high and low tide marks), and you are a long way from land. The OS map has a warning "Public Rights of Way across Morecambe Bay can be Dangerous - seek local guidance"!!'

'The road can be best reached, not from the level crossing by Hest Bank station as the OS map suggests, but along the yellow road to Morecambe Lodge. Effectively the road starts at SD470674. A shale track leads to the high tide mark and thus to the sands beyond, from which all wheelmarks are obliterated at each tide. Signs warn against going on to the sands with vehicles or on foot, and the local council in fact prohibits taking vehicles there.'

Image 1 shows the view from the Kents Bank station.

http://www.morecambe.co.uk/walk.html
Turner Painting

This ought to put him off....

Boggert · « **Reply #16 on:** March 29, 2007, 13:18:53 »

I wouldn't risk it... sorry chaps have my safe hat on on this one!

Bush Tucker Man · « **Reply #17 on:** March 29, 2007, 14:28:05 »

Plus it rots your vehicle out

Frank Elson (he of 'LRM' journalism & 'Land Rover Addict.com') did it in the mid 90's for a now discontinued magazine (International Off-Roader)

His friend had a lace chassis within 18months.

Definately not one to attempt without local knowledge

Drift · « **Reply #18 on:** March 29, 2007, 14:58:21 »

I can safely say the guy is not going, he is a friend of a friend, who is now a wiser person.
I told him I wouldnt even walk it an Ive been some scary places :lol: :lol: :lol:
Cheers folks :D

Defender · « **Reply #19 on:** March 29, 2007, 21:16:11 »

The guy to speak to about a safe crossing is Cedric Robinson- "the Queen's Guide"
More info at this website: http://www.morecambe.co.uk/walk.html
Yes, I know it's a website about walking, but he was the guide that went with LRO

tomarse · « **Reply #20 on:** March 30, 2007, 19:36:10 »

I am definately going to put walking that on my todo list as it looks pretty sweet! Its a shame that guys only contact is phone and there aint much in the way of details on there.

Defender · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2007, 13:15:39 »

Put 'Cedric Robinson' in a Google search. There's lots more info out there. :)

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