Nuts! Fitting bigger wheels!

[Iain C]

I've picked up five 265 MTs to put on my Disco...at the moment they are on grey modulars.  Ultimately I'll probably get them swapped over to my Freestyle alloys, but to test them I'll leave them on the modulars, I just want to see what they are like to live with on road, and if I am going to need to chop away any bits at all.

Can anyone sell me 10 x standard steel wheel nuts please?

In addition, I've checked the sticky and it mentions that rear fender trimming might be needed, has anyone got any examples of this?  My truck is in nice condition body wise and I am loathed to chop it about unless I know exactly what I'm doing!

At the front, I was going to remove the airdam and chop the endcaps off at the line, will this do it?  And why does it need different bumpstops?  To prevent axle articulation and the wheel fouling the arch?  If I just decide not to chop anything and get a cheapo Britpart 2" lift kit will this do the job instead?

Thanks!

[DiscoCWK]

I've picked up five 265 MTs to put on my Disco...at the moment they are on grey modulars.  Ultimately I'll probably get them swapped over to my Freestyle alloys, but to test them I'll leave them on the modulars, I just want to see what they are like to live with on road, and if I am going to need to chop away any bits at all.

Can anyone sell me 10 x standard steel wheel nuts please?

In addition, I've checked the sticky and it mentions that rear fender trimming might be needed, has anyone got any examples of this?  My truck is in nice condition body wise and I am loathed to chop it about unless I know exactly what I'm doing!

At the front, I was going to remove the airdam and chop the endcaps off at the line, will this do it?  And why does it need different bumpstops?  To prevent axle articulation and the wheel fouling the arch?  If I just decide not to chop anything and get a cheapo Britpart 2" lift kit will this do the job instead?

Thanks!

I don't think you'll be able to use the wheels on the modulars as a benchmark as the offset will be larger on the modulars - you may end up trimming more than you need to. The benefit of the modulars will be a tighter turning circle due to the larger offset. The standard wheels will need to have the steering lock reduced (a bolt on each swivel) with larger tyres but may need less trimming. What is the aspect ratio of the tyres?

If you get a lift kit you'll still need extended bump stops with larger tyres as on full articulation the spring will still compress until the axle hits the bump stop. There are plenty of threads on here about the implications of a 2" lift (Castor angle, Stressing the trailing arm bushes, Roll Bars, Binding front propshafts, extended shock absorbers, extended brake lines, dislocation cones and so on!)

[Budgie]

Some photos of the body trimming required can be found HERE.  

If you fit the 265's and don't trim anything then you'll likely bend both rear wings the first time you go off road with it as the tyres will catch and they just pull the trailing edge of the wheelarch inwards.

New standard wheel nuts are 45p each (+vat) from Paddocks or you can get domed ones for 81p each.
Extended bump stops from the same place come in at £7.48 +vat each and come complete with new bolts a washers.

[needbeer]

how did you go folding the inner lip on the arch mine needs cuting a little more but i think i'll over come this if i folded it instead thanks shaun

[Bulli]

the offset on modulars varies greatly. from none to up to 4 inch. place a flat edge across the face of the whel and measure down to the flat mounting surface...that will tell you if they are similar offset. If they are diff it wont tell ya a thing...so swap em.

[BigA]

i tried my 265 /75 /16's before i lifted, and they not only caught on the rear under a load, but the fronts also caught on the sill, and with the offset on my steel's i couldn't steer ???

just thought i would add my bit  :?

[Steven]

Dont get 265/70's like we did today  :shock:

Cant steer, grinds ont he radius arms, when standing its nearly hitting the wheel arch, unless your getting a lift  :lol:

WE HAVE TO!  :shock:

[Porny]

If it's only as a test, you can fit the modular wheels with the alloy wheel nuts...

Probably not the best long term solution, but an alloy wheel nut is designed to be used with both steel wheels alloy wheels.

Reason being... as standard, most Disco's that came with alloy wheels had a steel wheel spare.

Although the clamping method is different between the two types of wheel, if you look at the end of the alloy wheel nut is it shaped as per a steel wheel (wheel) nut.

This common practice with a lot of cars....



Ian

[Iain C]

OK so looking at the forums it basically goes like this then...

Bought the Landy primarily as an on-road towing vehicle, but plan to modify for some off road use.  Have got the Hankook 265s but there is no way I can fit them and go off road without either major body mods (don't fancy that, it's still shiny) or a 2" lift.

If I do a 2" lift, I'll need to do it properly, there's no half way house.  It needs springs, shocks, bumpstops, braided hoses, and possibly dislocation cones, about £400 worth.  It will look the badger's nadgers but possibly handle like a pig depending on how accurately the steering geometry was in the first place.  It will lose acceleration, possibly cruise a bit faster due to bigger wheels but that's a big possibly as rolling resistance won't help.  And if I want to keep the freestyles I will lose out on steering lock, I might need spacers (more £).  I might be able to get away with normal propshaft wear if I'm lucky.

Or, I can perhaps flog the 265s, and fit 235s with probably no mods at all on the Freestyles (poss bumpstops), it won't be as good off road, but will be better on road and be a far cheaper project.

Anyone got a pic of a Disco on 265s with a 2" lift?

Thanks!

[cardiff_gareth]

Fitting 265's will need a lift, no way round it as the Disco wasn't designed to be fitted with these size tyres.
There is a big who-ha about what is required when lifting, some say springs and shocks only and some say springs/shocks/bump stops/caster correction raduis arms and the list goes on. It all depends on your Disco, what you can get away with and what you will actually need.

What you can go up to is 245/70R16's with no cutting involved or 245/75R16's with a little cutting at the rear. Mine is now fitted with 245/70r16 so these are the biggest that'll go in without chopping.

Incidently if you fit HD springs then these will lift the body up by about 1" from what it was new and therefore no other bits will be needed, best of both worlds but I think with the HD springs you still wouldn't be able to fit the 265's.

Why not sell the tyres on the modulars and get a set of steel rims with colway remoulds in M/T 245/70R16 best of both worlds then, set for on road for fuel economy and road holding and a set for off road in M/T

[chaosego]

hi you need to think about the on road off road ratio if on road majority of the time stick to stock springs and all terrain tyres for the odd weekend lane ect. if its not you every day runner then hack lift mod till your hearts content.
i have a disco first ish car but had 2 inch lift kit and 265/75 colway mud tyres that was supposed to go on a 90 but sold it and put it on my disco. i am sort of wishing i had not now as it is on the road 99% of the time at the mo but looks good! fuel is down,noise is up its an auto so power in down a bit but not to bothered about that. think about what you want to do then get the tyres to go with your usage dont  get sucked into lifts ect.  if you 70% on road get all
/t s if 70% off road get mud terrains....simple .my future plans are to cut arches out put standard disco rims on that have had the centre turned and get some all terrains and maybe swop springs for old man emu 1 inch ish lift
relocation cones ect and see what occurs

[suggs]

im running 265/75/16 with a 3inch lift arches cut etc

i have no clearance issues..

[Dr Neil]

Dave's Disco from Measham is fitted with 265/75 16's,send him a PM and he will send you some pics  :)

[Iain C]

Thanks for all the advice!

Suggs, lovely truck but I just don't want to get the grinder out just yet!

Chaosego, a very sensible outlook!  It's not a daily ride though, it's a second/towing/toy car, so far spent 98% time onroad although I want to start using it offroad more and more.

91steven, can't see your new tyre pix in your gallery, everything else seems OK though.  Wouldn't mind a look if you could re-upload!

And most importantly BigA, now you have lifted what's it like?  How in depth was your lift, just springs/shocks or the whole lot?  And if someone said "here, have every last penny of your cash back and revert back to standard", would you?

[Iain C]

Oh well, the transformation has begun!

Now that I've had her a few months, racked up a few thousand pretty trouble free miles and now that I have 12 months ticket, the off road mods can begin!

Tonight I removed the air dam and trimmed the bumper end caps, and we now have a nice steering guard and a diff guard.  2" lift springs and 265 75s are ready to go on too!  Bring on the weekend!

[Budgie]

Don't forget to inform your insurance of all the mod's you've made!!  

[Iain C]

I will do but it's Adrian Flux, and they say that as long as it does not affect value or horsepower it makes no difference! :D