2a safari

[grunty]

i have been offered a 2a safari lwb for £200. its a petrol which runs and drives but..

chassis and bulkhead are shot, been used as a hay store in a field for several years.
Body is straight and all seems complete but is it worth doing?

Chassis on fleebay is about 100-300 similair for a bulkhead.
Can i put it on a coiled chassis? whats the chances of keeping the tax exempt status?

tia
Alan

[Rich_P]

Can i put it on a coiled chassis? whats the chances of keeping the tax exempt status?

No chance of keeping tax exemption by going with a coil sprung chassis.  Why would you want to turn a 2A into a wannabe coiler anyway?  Just buy a 110 if that's what you want.

I can tell you it is worth saving though.  They're getting quite rare, let alone in 2A tax exempt form.

[Pete]

If you buy a new leaf sprung chassis, take it to a ministry testing station, and get the number from the existing chassis transfered, you can then convert the new chassis to coils, and keep the tax exemption, as you will retain enough points.

 You will be asked to provide proof that the old chassis has been destroyed,  (Mine went back to the testing station to be crushed) and they will want to inspect the coil conversion. As long as it's OK, they will certify it as tax exempt.

 It has to be a series type 109 chassis, not a cut down 110.

 Mine was an 88, but the same rules apply.

 Pete

[Pete]

Just noticed. that's the same year as my last 109  (1963) well worth hanging on to.

[Pete]

1963 Safari.

[grunty]

coils ae just an idea as it depends on whats available. There are some s3 chassis about on fleebay, are they the same?
Its a 71 J opposite to my 90 J  :)

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[The Landy Guy]

if u ever want to sell it

i will have it off you !!!

[Bob Ajob]

From posts I've seen before on this and other forums, I don't think therre's too much difference between a 71 2a chassis and a series 3 chassis, though I guess it will depend on what year the 3 is. You could probably get a 3, compare them side by side once you've stripped the other down, then cut and weld the 3 chassis to match, then follow what's been said above regarding ministry testing station.

This will be an interesting experience / project for you, plus you should have a good saleable vehicle at the end (providing you keep the leafs), it's already saleable now - you got an offer already ;)

[Rich_P]

If you buy a new leaf sprung chassis, take it to a ministry testing station, and get the number from the existing chassis transfered, you can then convert the new chassis to coils, and keep the tax exemption, as you will retain enough points.

According to the government website it wouldn't be able to keep the tax exemption.

See here.

The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used, an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.

The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

    * chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
    * suspension = 2 points
    * axles = 2 points
    * transmission = 2 points
    * steering assembly = 2 points
    * engine = 1 point

By going coils, you lose the chassis and suspension points.  That leaves you with seven points in total, not enough to keep tax exemption as the car will then belong to a Q plate.


Additionally there are some minor differences between the late 2A and early 3 chassis.  I think, from memory, the only difference is the way that the brake hose brackets are.

[Bob Ajob]

Additionally there are some minor differences between the late 2A and early 3 chassis.  I think, from memory, the only difference is the way that the brake hose brackets are.

I thought the handbrake brackets were different too, no issue though if the points don't add up.

[Welshbreed]

just convert it to parabolics, that way you keep comfy, and tax exempt. definately worth trying to get it cheaper though, as a new galved chassis costs around £650+ and a new bulkhead would cost around £750.00. or you could look for a nice second hand b/head for around £300.00 to confirm it. new footwells would probably be required though. there was a galv chassis near me second hand, no rust that went for £300 but i think it was a three. was defo a lwb one though.

[grunty]

Hi
cheers all.

He wont be going less than 200 as he would rather keep it as a hay store!!

There is a 3 chassis on fleebay for 150 but its too far for me to go, cant afford new anything  :shock:

I can repair a bulkhead

Will put another leaf chassis on a keep it close to original then, shhhh  8)

Al

[James.Harwood]

I am not sure if the Station wagon chassis was actually diffferent.  If you can repair the bulkhead then you should not have to much trouble repairing the chassis (a lot of the body has to come off to remoe the bulkhead). you get most parts fairly easily.

Stick with leef springs, with coils you will loose the charicter of an old landrover.

[grunty]

chassis is too far gone, its even split at the front where there is so little strength left :shock:
any idea of the difference?

Al

[James.Harwood]

Something in my mind is saying about where the middle row of seats are had to be slightly diffent.

Unfortunately my parts manual is on holiday at the moment otherwise i could check for definite.

Parts manual hopefully back tomorrow night - will look then

James

[Welshbreed]

ask the guy who owns otly ( http://otly.mysite.orange.co.uk/ ) as he is converting an ex-military s3 hard top to a station wagon

[Rich_P]

Yes, he is worth contacting as Welshbreed says so.  He's a regular poster on OLLR Forums.

A key difference between a standard 109-inch chassis and a 109-inch SW/CSW chassis is that the SW/CSW has additional outriggers (or outriggers in a different location) in order to support the different body.

[dave_2A_2.25Turbo]

http://otly.mysite.orange.co.uk/csw/page1.html

And in particular: http://otly.mysite.orange.co.uk/csw/page12.html

[Pete]

The only points you lose are for the coils.
 The chassis is still classed as a series. IF YOU FOLLOW THE POST. Just has to be checked and the number transfered. Ministry testing station, not an MOT garage.
 Pete.

[Rich_P]

How can the chassis still be deemed as Series if it's got coils?  That's a radical change to the chassis design is it not?

The website states that it must be original spec.  A Series was never in mass production with coil springs.  Therefore it won't be original spec now will it?

[The Landy Guy]

it can!

[Rich_P]

it can!

Please only respond if you've got an explanation.  Just saying "It can" doesn't mean a thing.

[Pete]

Suspension mounts, coil or leaf, are added to the chassis, as long as the chassis is the right series, and hasn't been cut shorter, made longer or wider, it doesn't matter, it's classed as standard. The mounts are classed as suspension.
 That's according to a senior ministry inspector, who isn't known for bending the rules, or letting things get past inspection without being right.
 Pete.

[trustyrusty]

just a point  the landy question was 1st registered on the 01/01/1971 so is it a series 3? :roll:

[Rich_P]

It shall be a 2A.  The Series 3 began around 1972.  Additionally the bulkhead on that 109 is a 2A bulkhead (windscreen mounts differ on the 2A to the 3).

[Bob Ajob]

That one is definitely a 2a. Series 3 started in 1971, Series IIa ended in 1971, the two overlapped for about 6 months, I can't get my hands on the actual dates, not that many people actually know, it was a bit vague at the time, and more so now.

[fire boy si]

i was told the main frame of the chassis is what they are looking at in terms not the mounting points because a 110 chassis is deeper in sectional width than a series 2a/3 this came from the men at the ministry i asked a former lr mech and now a ministry man cos i wanted to do the same with my 2a/3

[Pete]

Exactly!
 That's why ypu have to start with a series chassis, not a shortened 90 or 110.
 As long as the chassis is right, it's still classed as a series motor.
 Pete.

[Rich_P]

Unfortunately the Series 2 Club DVLA Official doesn't agree with you.  According to him (and I have shown him this topic), he hasn't a clue where that Ministry Official is getting his info from.  Because it is different to what the S2C's chap is told when he is in direct contact with the DVLA HQ and Offices.

You can contact him through the following email address:
vro@series2club.co.uk

I recommend getting in direct contact with the DVLA Officials yourself before undertaking any form of major alterations to a vehicle's design.  Because it wouldn't be very good if you've just spent a large amount of money and spent a large amount of time doing something, only to find that you'll have to put it on a Q plate and have an SVA.

[Pete]

Unfortunately the Series 2 Club DVLA Official doesn't agree with you.  

 Enough said.
 Pete