Vynil wrap and Madeleine Poster

[Lee_D]

We are off around France / Spain in the summer for three weeks, any one do Vynil Wrap or similar that could be adorned to the 110 to help raise the profile?  

Hopefully   [-o< Madeleine will have been found by then but I'd like to do what I can.

We're off to Climb Snowdon next week and doing it for Charity towards Maddies fund.

[MudRat]

Sorry Am I being niave, whats all the money going to??

[Lee_D]

The family of Madeleine McCann are to-day launching the Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned appeal. The funds will be used to help find Madeleine McCann, support her family and bring her abductors to justice. Any surplus funds will be used to help families and missing children in United Kingdom, Portugal and elsewhere in similar circumstances.

IF Madeleine isn't found quickly the heat will go off the investigation and that leaves the parents having to fund the search with private detectives. Not only that but they have to live on something too whilst out there.

Do you do Vynil wrap (just to ensure we don't get too off topic) ?

As a Dad with kids of a certain age the story has struck a nerve here and if I thought the smallest thing someone else had done to help if I were in that situation I'd be eternally greatful.

[Keri]

I havn't a clue couldn't you visit your local signs type place they might be able to suggest somewhere? Or try ringing some local ones up maybe....


Tbh myself iv got a bit bored of hearing about her, i doubt she will ever be found alive if found at all... Or maybe in 8 years time she might emerge out of the woodwork like some of these other hostage cases......

Kids and adults go missing all the time some are found some arn't but there parents don't have £xxx,xxx figure amounts to help them search for there loved ones!

If anything money raised should go to one big charity that gives a certain amount of money to any people who have someone go missing, to help them fund posters and so on... It isnt as if the Mcanns havn't had more free advertising than i have ever seen, never mind people giving them money.

But anyway try local sign graphic places.

[schuee]

Tbh myself iv got a bit bored of hearing about her, i doubt she will ever be found alive if found at all... Or maybe in 8 years time she might emerge out of the woodwork like some of these other hostage cases......

Kids and adults go missing all the time some are found some arn't but there parents don't have £xxx,xxx figure amounts to help them search for there loved ones!

If anything money raised should go to one big charity that gives a certain amount of money to any people who have someone go missing, to help them fund posters and so on... It isnt as if the Mcanns havn't had more free advertising than i have ever seen, never mind people giving them money.

In the greater scheme of the charity, money raised will evidently go towards abuction and missing persons cases in the future, I know what has been done is done, however in this case the parents are trying their hardest to keep the profile of their little girl going missing in the public spotlight.I would seriously doubt that anybody in the same circumstance would not want to do the same.
I know being a parent I would be doing my upmost to keep the story alive, and yes people go missing all the time, and this story has highlighted this even more so, ask any parent, and they would agree,  no one expects a child to be plucked from their bed fast asleep.

[Hightower]

no one expects a child to be plucked from their bed fast asleep.

No-one expects children of that age to be left unattended for that long by two 'responsible' parents either  :roll:

And what has meeting the pope got to do with finding their girl?  Shouldn't they be back in Portugal where it happened?  Or are they looking for divine intervention?  Or are they just milking it for all it's worth now . . . . .

[hobbit]

no one expects a child to be plucked from their bed fast asleep.

No-one expects children of that age to be left unattended for that long by two 'responsible' parents either  :roll:

And what has meeting the pope got to do with finding their girl?  Shouldn't they be back in Portugal where it happened?  Or are they looking for divine intervention?  Or are they just milking it for all it's worth now . . . . .

As I said on the original thread about this subject

Something is not right here, i think its just a matter of time and the truth will come out

[Lee_D]

I guess they are keeping the faith.

I for one would far sooner have an update in the News each day for the rest of my life than have to listen to some of the rubbish that gets chewed over about so called famous people or political drivel. And yes I'd go as far as to extend it to any child snatched in circumstances such as these.

The parents have openly stated that they were stupid leaving the Kids, that they wish they could turn back the clock and that even if Maddie turned up tomorrow they would never forgive themselves. I wouldn't leave ours and I doubt many MC'ers would either, yet many are happy to let kids wander shows, towns , estates etc but I don't stand in judgement of them.

Keri I hope you are wrong but fear you may be right. None the less I'd like to do what little I can.

[Welshbreed]

if no one's come forward with knowing something now, it's unlikely they ever will. and if they ever do it'll be probably to late anyway. good luck to them, but i feel its a lost cause. Also I agree that they were idiotic in thier parenting, who leaves kids in a hotel on a ground floor in our country let aline abroad by themselves? If they wanted to go out, they should have hired someone to look after them. someone with many checkable references.
All it's doing now is stopping other people from going to portugal, which is a shame given the scenery in some parts. This is only my opinion however and you are free to ignore it.

[Lee_D]

if no one's come forward with knowing something now, it's unlikely they ever will. and if they ever do it'll be probably to late anyway. good luck to them, but i feel its a lost cause.

I see what you are saying and respect everyones opinion. I didn't want to start a mass debate here. Just try and highlight the issue with signage in areas where it may not have been highlighted or indeed where people will be visiting from other areas in Europe who haven't had the same sort of media coverage we have in the UK.

If anyone can help please please PM me.

[schuee]

no one expects a child to be plucked from their bed fast asleep.

No-one expects children of that age to be left unattended for that long by two 'responsible' parents either  :roll:

And what has meeting the pope got to do with finding their girl?  Shouldn't they be back in Portugal where it happened?  Or are they looking for divine intervention?  Or are they just milking it for all it's worth now . . . . .

I totally agree with you in the first part, leaving children of their age is extremely irresponsible and they have admitted this, they must have been crazy doing this especially in a strange place, if it all ends tragically, no doubt it will haunt them for the rest of their days.
Then the matter of meeting the Pope, maybe one of them going may have looked better, though as desperate as they must feel, I'am afraid I would be doing exactly the same, most likely like any other parent in the same predicament.

I just hope and pray it all ends well.

[TDi90]

www.vanwraps.com or www.vanwraps.co.uk

Rob  8)

[Keri]

no one expects a child to be plucked from their bed fast asleep.

No-one expects children of that age to be left unattended for that long by two 'responsible' parents either  :roll:

And what has meeting the pope got to do with finding their girl?  Shouldn't they be back in Portugal where it happened?  Or are they looking for divine intervention?  Or are they just milking it for all it's worth now . . . . .

As I said on the original thread about this subject

Something is not right here, i think its just a matter of time and the truth will come out

Completely agree there!

[Discohugh]

Why the hell are they visiting the pope!! As said before milking it, and i also feel something is not quite right with the whole saga of poor Maddy. I smell a wrong un.

[Lee_D]

Same reason people pray to mecca, and why kids write letters to Santa, it's a thing called hope & faith.

You could be right and time may tell but is what I'm doing evil? I'm I the devils spawn in a bobble hat?

Parents have openly declared they are desperate to keep the media spotlight and if you give them the benifit of your doubt for a moment would you not do the same in their position? Whats the alternative, give up?

A few years back I'm sure they would have been burned as witches already along with the bloke who's half portugese half whatever who the media highlighted... and his mates... and those who hired a car to him, traitors the lot of them. Given some views of barrack room lawyers I'm glad the matches have been put away safely.

Yes anyone could be responsible, and someone is responsible that's for certain.... but I doubt they do vynil wrap    and to be fair my primary concern along with many others I'm sure is for Maddie .

[Lee_D]

To everyone who has PM'd so far Thankyou! I've fired off a number of emails to explore the wrap and may come back yet to some kind offers of lettering such as the web address and alike for the roof / windscreen and back end of the Caravan.

I'll keep you posted how I go on.

Lee

[Boggert]

The reason they are visiting the pope is they want the media coverage... I would do the same, and also they have their own faith and to them its a comfort...

The only rat I smell is the tosser who took her... no matter what we think about the parents and the circumstances of her abduction we have to think of the bigger picture some git has taken this little girl and they want her back.
When I drive to Czech in December if she is not found I'll have a photo of her on my car!
Top marks Lee_D

[casey12]

Why not laminate the pictures and use double sided sellotape to stick them on?

[Lyndsey731]

This topic obviously has people divided upon the parents, at least we can all agree on wishing to see her alive and well.
One question for you parents, I myself have 3 kids and I can guarantee you this, had I just lost one 4ish weeks ago I'd be damned if I'd hop on a plane without the other 2 no matter what the reason and no matter whom they were left with, would you? I appreciate it's only for 24 hours but trips to Spain, Germany and the netherlands are now on the cards as well.

[thermidorthelobster]

I'm sure under the circumstances I'd do what the parents are doing.  However it saddens me that so much attention is given to a child going missing from a middle class white family on holiday in Portugal, whereas children going missing from lower-class families on sink estates are pretty much ignored.  Call me naive but to me children's lives should be equal, regardless of age, background or country for that matter.

[Lee_D]

Why are they not equal?

 Can you evidence what you are saying or are you generalising?

 I'm interested as a Police officer I treat all persons fairly and impartially so I do feel somewhat defensive if people suggest otherwise. Not a rant but keen to hear the facts.

[thermidorthelobster]

Well, around the world, hundreds of thousands of children are sick, dying, being tortured, abused, victims of war or simply in desperate poverty.  I saw a child in a slum in Senegal who had, as a toy, a toilet seat on a piece of string.

Of course I don't deny that lots of things are being done to try to help - aid money is being spent, charities are working, etc etc.

But the focus in the news for several weeks now has been one girl who has gone missing on holiday.  Of course it's a tragedy, and if I were the parents I'd be frantic with worry and would do anything to get my child back.

But as I said earlier, it seems to me that the fate of one middle class white girl is vastly disproportionately treated compared to the fate of millions of others.

But even closer to home...

Approximately SEVENTY THOUSAND children are reported missing in the UK each year.  Doubtless the vast majority are found safe and sound.  But on this website I can see immediately 20 children who have disappeared without trace in the UK within the last year.  I notice the majority are of Asian or African origin.  Why aren't these 20 in every news bulletin?  Why aren't posters of them plastered over people's cars?  Why aren't there half a dozen Facebook groups with thousands of users devoted to finding these children?

Why haven't people raised £3m in funding as a reward or war chest to find these children?  Search the site, look at the photos and see what you think.

[Lee_D]

But the focus in the news for several weeks now has been one girl who has gone missing on holiday.  Of course it's a tragedy, and if I were the parents I'd be frantic with worry and would do anything to get my child back.

But as I said earlier, it seems to me that the fate of one middle class white girl is vastly disproportionately treated compared to the fate of millions of others.

But even closer to home...

Approximately SEVENTY THOUSAND children are reported missing in the UK each year.  Doubtless the vast majority are found safe and sound.  But on this website I can see immediately 20 children who have disappeared without trace in the UK within the last year.  I notice the majority are of Asian or African origin.  Why aren't these 20 in every news bulletin?  Why aren't posters of them plastered over people's cars?  Why aren't there half a dozen Facebook groups with thousands of users devoted to finding these children?

Why haven't people raised £3m in funding as a reward or war chest to find these children?  Search the site, look at the photos and see what you think.

OK take a closer look - Not one of those children under 5 I've looked at amongst 8 pages of hits has been abducted in circumstances such as Madeleine. They have in the main been taken by a parent which is a whole different bag of spanners to having been snatched from your bed by a stranger. Parents who are caring in the main and have fled for reasons other than a wish to do a child harm.

I will not debate the figures of 70,000 however I will put them in to context. Social services childrens homes all across the country have staff reporting some of there residents missing every night if they are not in by there curfew times so they can cover there backs against being sued. I know of children who have been reported missing nearly every night of the week in such circumstances since our current computer records of missing persons began. Add to this Hospitals who report people missing when they discharge themselves or walk off wards before the end of treatment and you begin to get the idea.

Dave I have no doubt children all around the world suffer far worse than some of our own in the UK however I can't change whole cultures. I can help try and find a child that hasn't been snatched by a family member, isn't able to defend herself or run away to safety.

It's nowt to do with classes, it's to do with circumstances and vulnerability. I'd be doing the same if Maddie were black , yellow or green for that matter and give not a toot that the parents are either well paid in good jobs or on the breadline because I'm not looking for the parents.

[thermidorthelobster]

It's nowt to do with classes, it's to do with circumstances and vulnerability. I'd be doing the same if Maddie were black , yellow or green for that matter and give not a toot that the parents are either well paid in good jobs or on the breadline because I'm not looking for the parents.

You could well be taking the same approach regardless, but do you think the media would have given the case so much coverage in those circumstances?  So would you have even heard about it in the first place?  I don't think you would, but maybe I'm just too cynical.

Regarding the database, I was looking not just at the youngest children but all the ones under 16.  I can immediately see 5 or more who have disappeared without the obvious influence of family members.

Circumstances: Police are very concerned for the wellbeing of Qin WANG. She is missing from her foster home in Bournemouth on the 04/01/2007. Qin is described as having black shoulder length hair that has been dyed red, brown eyes and of oriental ethnic appearance. (age 16)

Circumstances: Lingran and Lingshan are sister's who have gone missing from the Hove area in Sussex. They have recently arrived from China and have gone missing together. Police are concerned for the welfare of these young sisters because of their lack of the English language and ability to care for themselves.They are both described as of thin build, long hair and when last seen were wearing white T shirts and 3/4 length trousers. (age 12 and 15)

Circumstances: Left home address in Haringey area after packing his school bag with clothing and has not returned. Described as slim build, fresh complexion with short black hair in afro style. (age 15)

Circumstances: Linh Thuy Nguyen was last seen on 22/10/06 at her home address in Mitcham, Surrey. She had left to go shopping but did not return. Linh was last seen wearing a grey striped short sleeved blouse and blue jeans. (age 13)

Circumstances: Samantha was last seen at 1600hrs on the 03/04/2007 when she took herself to Hospital as she thought she was having an Asthma attack and has not been since.She is described as having brown straight hair of slim build and has a surgical scar above her left eyebrow. She was last seen wearing a white puffa jacket with blue jeans and white trainers. (age 15)

Circumstances: Scott left his home address and has not returned. Scott is described as having cropped blonde hair and was wearing grey jogging bottoms, a white polo shirt and black "Nike" trainers. (age 15)

(plus three more of 16 years old, of the list disappeared in the last year)

You're right that none of these are under 5.  But they're still children, they're still missing, their lives are in danger and I bet nobody here has ever heard of them before.

Lee, I don't disapprove of what you're doing;  if you help find the girl then of course it's worth it.  My original point was regarding the disproportionate amount of coverage of one missing child when the plight of so many others is not even heard about.

[Lee_D]

Update :-

Putting politics of being missing and views about parents responsibility and everything else negative one wishes to add aside... This thread finally has some light at the end of the tunnel.

Today I got a call from some local Vynil Wrap guys who have offered to do the 110 for me, they want no glory, no sponsor logo text etc and have offered to do the job for free. They are two chaps who work as partners as part of a small firm.

I have already stated that in order to get the Posters as much publicity world wide I'll be sending photos in to all the Landie comics which again go world wide and they will get a mention by me anyway. The logic being landie comics are exported to all corners where the news may not have filtered through. There was an a guy on GMTV the other day asking people in Italy about the missing four year old before the McCanns saw the Pope. The reply from the Interviewees was Who? or What missing girl?

I'm more convinced than ever that this is a good idea because of the above.

I'll post some piccys when the 110's done.. won't be full wrap but enough to do the job.

Lee

[schuee]

Nice one mate :)

Hope it all goes well, anything positive to highlight the plight of Madeleine, and children in similar circumstances, is surely the right step forward

Keep us posted.

Cheers
Schuee