Problems in the for sale section.

[drutt]

OK ..

Seeing as I have calmed down a little I'll go over the situation again...

There has been a lot of ill feeling about the "for sale" section, and I can appreciate some of it.  However the fact remains it became an administrative nightmare to keep atop the constant (and I do mean constant) abuse of the for sale section.  I appreciate that not everyone has a problem with "bumping" and "thread hijacking", and I will agree that the ability to ask questions was helpful,  

If you had to read each of the messages the number of times the thread descended into a "it's not worth that" or "if only I had the money" was quite astounding.  

People were asked, politely not to do it,  they ignored us.

People were then asked less politely not to keep doing it,  they ignored us.

People were then corrected from having done it,  they then stopped ignoring us and started questioning our parentage.

We had rules for the for-sale section, they were abused and people complained quite viscously and not entirely politely when they were enforced.  

In the absence of any better ideas, the new system was introduced.  Whereby you could post whatever you wanted to sell,  we've relaxed the permissions so that you can now edit your posts to include information you might have been asked about or some such as this is possibly the best compromise we could come up with.

So far however we have yet to receive a single solitary suggestion that actually works ... "appoint some moderators", well, yes, but who ? since there are likely to be few applicants that one actually boils down to "go back to the old system and spend three hours trying to potty train people that should know better",  even id we got applicants it means arming them with a mop and bucket and leaving them open for no end of earache.

Offers of funds are appreciated,  and donations are welcomed but we set the club up for a reason,  that reason still remains and we are willing to put in the resources that we put in to keeping the club running.  

The Moderators devote their own time to the club, and that too is appreciated,  the members devote their knowledge and expertise to the club and that too is what makes mud-club the success that it is,  as commented on the about page, we are a co-op .. a "cooperative", but to remain one we must be willing to cooperate with each other.

However, I can't help but think that questioning the motivations and judgement of the moderators fails to be a productive way of working.

We don't lock threads which we're bored of,  trust me, if that were the case there wouldn't be posting permissions anywhere ;)

[Yoshi]

Well i for one basically offered to help out with the For Sale board on the thread that was locked.  I dont mind the abuse, i laugh it off and am very thick skinned, so if its something they want to consider then i spend most of my time watching through this forum (sad i know but about 8 hours a day while i am on the pc or the laptop).

I have made my donation, and i do urge others to do the same, because it does give those in charge a break and a chance to spend their hard earned on something nice instead of spending on an "instant insult program!"

As i say, all is just my opinion and a good debate is a good way of everyone being able to find out the reasons behind something and then have a say about how they feel.

So with that note, i for one will only reply if replied to, and wait til next week when someone else resurrects this argument by not reading through the posts!

[Bobtail]

There is now a poll. .

Can i please ask where :?:

[Yoshi]

On the locked thread

[TDi90]

locked  

[Eeyore]

Yep, t'was me that did it.

I was right when I said the debate had run it's course, and some of the responses above prove that.

The Members stated their case - and we appreciate the effort, if not always the tone. The Mods and Admins stated thier case and nothing was going to change. Our justifications were more compelling than yours. That pretty much says to me the thread was finished. Any talk beyond that point tends to get a little 'heated' with eveyone trying to get the last word in first and reiterating points because they think it'd make a difference. We're stubborn old mules back here, and it'll be harder than that to grind us down  

If we feel that certain parties can with hold from littering the For Sale section, the right to post may make a comeback (that's 'may', not 'will'). But until we can recognise a 're-alignment' in those attitudes, it stays as post only.

The debate is over because this view isn't going change under duress. It wasn't a democratic vote, or a debating point, I'm afraid. It's the Adminstration decision and it's pretty much final.

No, trust me on this  

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[discomummy]

Hi,

just want to say that i think the admin and moderators do a brilliant job and it looks like they run the club the same way i run our house - benign dictatorship!  i am with you guys all the way

regards

ela

[Eeyore]

it looks like they run the club the same way i run our house - benign dictatorship!

Oooooo, we've been rumbled!   :shock:

 

Kind words and well said, thank you.  8)

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore*

*speaking for the rest of the 'behind-the scenes' team!  

[Lee_D]

I have asked questions on a couple of for sale posts in the past.

I feel so dirty now.  :lol:

[Eeyore]

I have asked questions on a couple of for sale posts in the past.

I feel so dirty now.  :lol:

So, it was you was it?  

Say three 'Hail Servers' and your forum sins will be absolved.  

Don't worry dude, questions we could handle, it was the hi-jiacking that became a problem. And I don't think you was one o' them.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[Big Watty]

Whilst I rarely post (I'm far to busy/lazy) I do lurk in the background and I've been watching this debate with some dismay - the internet and forums such as this are a fantastic way of like minded people being able to communicate - it loses hands down when in a debate you can't see body language or make eye contact

Everyone helps in maintaining the ambience even of something as a (relatively) faceless forum.

It's how you move on from disagreements/disscussions/debates that differentiate this forum from many others

WELL DONE TO EVERYONE!

Admin, moderators and contibutors

Chris

[Jason2985]

:D
I`m prepared to move on.
Although i would still like to see the replies back on the for sale section i now know why that facility was taken away.
A few things were said in the heat of the moment and i accept the earlier appology.
If you will accept mine?
When you ask a simple question and you get remarks that are not very nice, it winds you up.
Which is one of the reasons why the for sale section is now a pm or email only section.
I know how it feels to be in the position of a moderator, regarding yours is a thankless task and i do appreciate what you do.
I`m a shop steward, i do this in my own time not works time.
Last year i negotiated a £4,500 salary increase, not one person thanked me.
But i dont do it for the thanks i do it because i enjoy it which is why i suspect the moderators do what they do on here.
As far as i`m concerned i have said my peace and consider the matter closed.

Regards.

Jay