Traffic Police Pursuit

[Bush Tucker Man]

I've been browsing of the many Police Officers 'blogs' and embedded in one of them is this little clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsfeWhpPjhE

Full marks to the Officers for getting the bloke, but quite what was said about the wrong-way-chase I don't know :?
(or the paperwork regarding the damaged cars?)

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Driving against the traffic? Big No No. Too much risk to the Public. A bit of 'red mist' coming in there. I know that a colleague has been attacked, but get air support to tag the suspect then get ground units in to do the final arrest.
I have to say though the suspect seemed very red in the face, even through the blurring. He must have fallen over several times :twisted:
Well done guys and gals. A good 'collar'.

[Bush Tucker Man]

Driving against the traffic? Big No No

That was what I thought

I have to say though the suspect seemed very red in the face, even through the blurring. He must have fallen over several times :twisted:
Well done guys and gals. A good 'collar'.

Nice to see how they 'helped' back him over the fence, via that tree :lol:

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Driving against the traffic? Big No No

That was what I thought

I have to say though the suspect seemed very red in the face, even through the blurring. He must have fallen over several times :twisted:
Well done guys and gals. A good 'collar'.

Nice to see how they 'helped' back him over the fence, via that tree :lol:

No BTM, I think you'll find that he was probably trying to escape again by climbing the tree, but fell out, if you catch my drift

The 'rules of engagement' in relation to pursuits, sorry, follows (correct PC term) is quite extensive, but Public, Officer and 'subject' (PC term for thieving, homocidal, violent scumbag) safety is paramount.
I am trained in all pursuit tactics, and have been involved in a few. They scare the living poop out of me, and it is one of things that you train for, hoping that you never have to use it.

[Bush Tucker Man]

Training

The Officer who is first in line for training (PC Fletcher) was always entertaning to watch in the series, as his sense of humour & dry comments were superb & to the point

[Boggert]

Agreed, that got a bit out of hand, expecially when the traffic car crashed into another! :lol:

However in the heat of the moment when all hell breaks out... it gets fun! real Fun! :twisted:

We had a traffice arrested for causing Death by dangerous driving, because the stolen car he was chasing with 2 run up junkies crashed and one got nailed! He was on suspension for 18 months :shock: and became totally stressed.

Oh yes... I would love to drive the first car thats being chased!

[Bush Tucker Man]

That's bad about your collegue, sadly it's the state of affairs.

I'd guess that even in the good old litigious US of A, th Officer would not be treated in that way??
Dare I be a 'Devils Advocate' & suggest that the incident removed an undesirable element from the Human Gene Pool (Darwinism)


Found this on one of the 'Policemans Blogs'

If you ever testify in court, you might wish you could have been as sharp as this policeman. He was being cross examined by a defense solicitor during a trial. The lawyer was trying to undermine the policeman's credibility....

Q: "Officer, did you see my client fleeing the scene?"

A: "No sir. But I subsequently observed a person matching the description of the offender, running several blocks away."


Q: "Officer, who provided this description?"

A: "The officer who responded to the scene."


Q: "A fellow officer provided the description of this so-called offender. Do you trust your fellow officers?"

A: "Yes, sir. With my life."


Q: "With your life? Let me ask you this then officer. Do you have a room where you change your clothes in preparation for your daily duties?"

A: "Yes sir, we do!"


Q: "And do you have a locker in the room?"

A: "Yes sir, I do."


Q: "And do you have a lock on your locker?"

A: "Yes sir."


Q: "Now why is it, officer, if you trust your fellow officers with your life, you find it necessary to lock your locker in a room you share with these same officers?"

A: "You see, sir, we share the building with the court complex, and sometimes lawyers have been known to walk through that room."

The courtroom erupted in laughter, and a prompt recess was called

 :lol:  :lol:

[thermidorthelobster]

Good story, but I found the end a bit disappointing;  I'd hoped the guy would be more badly injured.

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Good story, but I found the end a bit disappointing;  I'd hoped the guy would be more badly injured.

That seems an odd thing to say, Therm. I don't wish for anybody to get injured regardless of what they have done. It only destroys the credibility of the case at court, and puts the officers jobs at risk.
I like cats, by the way. Apparently they taste like chicken. :twisted:

[Bush Tucker Man]

No BTM, I think you'll find that he was probably trying to escape again by climbing the tree, but fell out, if you catch my drift  

Sorry, my mistake, it was a bit like some of the drunks we get who inadvertantly attempt to get of their examination trolley & fall heavily to the floor, all with no assistance, & then have the temerity to complain about hurting themselves :twisted:

The 'rules of engagement' in relation to pursuits, sorry, follows (correct PC term) is quite extensive, but Public, Officer and 'subject' (PC term for thieving, homocidal, violent scumbag) safety is paramount.

My thoughts (& I'll bet they're not just mine?) Protect the public & the Officer, stuff the 'suspect' (unless he's carrying innocent passengers)
 

I am trained in all pursuit tactics, and have been involved in a few. They scare the living poop out of me, and it is one of things that you train for, hoping that you never have to use it.

I understand, if it all goes 'pear-shaped', who's 'head is on the chopping block' after all??
Sadly, the less the scum are pursued, the more they'll try

I don't wish for anybody to get injured regardless of what they have done. It only destroys the credibility of the case at court, and puts the officers jobs at risk.

And adds to the paperwork

I like cats, by the way. Apparently they taste like chicken. :twisted:

So does Chicken surprisingly enough :lol:

[Highlander1]

Shame they didn't use T pack. the road was busy so it would have been perfect opportunity. :?

[Bush Tucker Man]

Shame they didn't use T pack. the road was busy so it would have been perfect opportunity. :?

Yes, perhaps with hindsight the best option, but as 'L SP' suggests it was the 'Red Mist' especially on the part of the (was it a?) Sigma driver side-swiping the Astra.



I suppose the bottom line was that no-one ws injured though & the assailant was arrested.


Going off on a slight tangent;
I still find it a curious use of language that he (or, for example, the Glasgow airport bombers) are probably charged 'on the suspicion of'.

[Highlander1]

Scots law is the same as old judges rules no pace!

No need to tape interview just interview then get Confessions or denials signed in pocket books.  

No computer generated charge sheets to hastle about just a verbal charge which is recorded in the old Pocket book.

The basic laws of Scotland are derived from Roman law.

The press misinterpret lots of things like arrest and detention there tends not to be so many arrests more common to detain. Unless there are 2 independent eye witnesses then they just get arrested go straight to court having been charged without needing to interview.


In other words you can't arrest on suspicion in Scotland.

For serious case the suspect would be held for a decision to be made for further detention time at the next avaliable court.

There is good and bad on both sides of the border. :)

It used to always be old hands that were on traffic I think because they lost the red mist bit in their youth and no longer got adrenaline rush they just got on with it and stayed with the target.

Mind you when the vehicle had been brought to a stop they were too knackered to get over the fence and chase them on foot.

Comes down to the insurance thing young men between 17 and 25 get hammered I wonder if the polis drivers under 25 are more likely to have a prange on a shout than someone whose been in the job for 25 years.

Has anyone checked this out just a thought.

Maybe they could have an old boy behind the wheel with a smooth calm relaxed manner and a young lad to do the running sitting beside them. :idea:  :lol:

[Bush Tucker Man]

Has anyone checked this out just a thought.

Maybe they could have an old boy behind the wheel with a smooth calm relaxed manner and a young lad to do the running sitting beside them. :idea:  :lol:

That's a bit like the joke about the young & old Bulls and talking about the cows down the field..............

Doubtless you know the one I mean?

[Highlander1]

Sorry cant think of that one I imagine it's rude. :lol: :lol:
 
Cheers H1

[Bush Tucker Man]

Sorry cant think of that one I imagine it's rude. :lol: :lol:
 
Cheers H1

Yes :roll:

[att]

If that is the current standards in operation thaen god help us all.
Unprofessional, worrying, incompetant and my bad spelling seem to go hand in hand......I really do hope that I do not need any of the Police anywhere anytime soon..........I will look after mine in my way thankyou very much.

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

If that is the current standards in operation thaen god help us all.
Unprofessional, worrying, incompetant and my bad spelling seem to go hand in hand......I really do hope that I do not need any of the Police anywhere anytime soon..........I will look after mine in my way thankyou very much.

I think that piece of footage is the exception rather than the normal standards.
As I mentioned in a previous post on this matter, certain aspects of that incident will have been looked at by the appropriate departments and taken seriously.
Having been in similar situations, I have called off a pursuit due to the danger and have known many other officers to do the same.
But, 'red mist' is something that every human suffers from. I'm not saying it is right, but I'm sure everyone who reads this has reacted in an abstract way when under pressure.

As the saying goes "There but for the grace of God, go I"

[Highlander1]

If that is the current standards in operation thaen god help us all.
Unprofessional, worrying, incompetant and my bad spelling seem to go hand in hand......I really do hope that I do not need any of the Police anywhere anytime soon..........I will look after mine in my way thankyou very much.

Couldn't agree more (thaen god help us all incompetant)incompetent :lol:

[Boggert]

If that is the current standards in operation thaen god help us all.
Unprofessional, worrying, incompetant and my bad spelling seem to go hand in hand......I really do hope that I do not need any of the Police anywhere anytime soon..........I will look after mine in my way thankyou very much.

I think that is a little harsh, I think its unfair to judge all Police/PCSO's on that bit of footage. I also suspect its a few years old.

This is the sort of thing you can end up dealing with.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4lYEYDqzlk

Now thats not every day, but who's putting their own lives at risk?

[Bush Tucker Man]

This is the sort of thing you can end up dealing with.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4lYEYDqzlk

Now thats not every day, but who's putting their own lives at risk?

That was a lucky escape for the biker, it did look at though he was trapped under it for a few seconds.

And as for the poor learner :shock:

Still they got the scrote in the end :twisted:



One question though.
As noted from the comments about the hits to the windows. I know it's an entirely different  matter for me (& everyone else) sitting here & watching it to being there on the ground in that situation.

Why aren't the Officers trained to hit the windows at one point (like a 'hammer blow') rather than flailing away across the breadth of it??
Or was they 'heat of the moment strikes', it looks as though they're using the extendable batons (ASP??)

In comparison, the side-handle batons rapidly break the windows of this Supra
(are they a day-to-day item of kit?)

[Bush Tucker Man]

On a lighter note


I bet THIS would never happen on this side of 'the Pond'
 :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh):

[Bush Tucker Man]

Trucks & tyres

The trucker presumably didn't look before he made the (illegal) move into lane 3, as the Officer states that he was on flashing (occulating??)   headlamps with no need for 'blues'.

As for his earlier incident (blow-out) that was lucky!
If he'd been alongside another vehicle..........................

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

If that is the current standards in operation thaen god help us all.
Unprofessional, worrying, incompetant and my bad spelling seem to go hand in hand......I really do hope that I do not need any of the Police anywhere anytime soon..........I will look after mine in my way thankyou very much.

I think that is a little harsh, I think its unfair to judge all Police/PCSO's on that bit of footage. I also suspect its a few years old.

This is the sort of thing you can end up dealing with.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4lYEYDqzlk

Now thats not every day, but who's putting their own lives at risk?

It was interesting watching that. I have to say that it just reinforces my opinion that the 'Asp' batons that are issued to most forces are next to useless. In my previous force, we had the American style PR24 sidehandled baton for everyday use and straight, solid batons for public order duties.
The PR24 was ideal for taking car windows out. The Asp just bounces straight off. Why the Asp? It is likely to cause less lasting damage to the subject that it comes into contact with :roll: therefore the little darlings are less likely to sue.
I always thought the idea was to 'subdue the subject' as quickly as possible, not tickle them into surrendering!

[landy4x4xfar]

On a lighter note


I bet THIS would never happen on this side of 'the Pond'
 :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh):

I bet they would if they could

1 get away with it

2 you had a nice car not a shed




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[Bush Tucker Man]

 In my previous force, we had the American style PR24 sidehandled baton for everyday use and straight, solid batons for public order duties.
The PR24 was ideal for taking car windows out

Buy your own, for 'old times sake'


 

The Asp just bounces straight off. Why the Asp? It is likely to cause less lasting damage to the subject that it comes into contact with :roll: therefore the little darlings are less likely to sue.
I always thought the idea was to 'subdue the subject' as quickly as possible, not tickle them into surrendering!

I would have thought that 'subdue' would be idea too.
Ie; be hit once, instead of multiple times

[Bush Tucker Man]

On a lighter note


I bet THIS would never happen on this side of 'the Pond'
 :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh):

I bet they would if they could

1 get away with it

2 you had a nice car not a shed

Got to admit, the Mustang's still a good looking car

[Boggert]

Don't buy one you'll get arrested!

The ASP is ok for legs and arms, you need a heavy cap on the other end, it usually works... However we keep an axe in our car and that will go through anything! :twisted:  :lol:

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Don't buy one you'll get arrested!

The ASP is ok for legs and arms, you need a heavy cap on the other end, it usually works... However we keep an axe in our car and that will go through anything! :twisted:  :lol:

I hope you've done the appropriate Health and Safety, 3 week long, 'how to handle and axe safely while putting it through a window, and that way we cover our arse' course? :roll:

I have to say, again from experience, most car thieves tend to back down when faced with a large Police Landrover Defender with a solid steel bumper coming at them head on. That technique is not in any 'manual of guidance' that I know of, but it sue as hell worked! :twisted:

[Bush Tucker Man]

Don't buy one you'll get arrested!

No, I (jokingly) meant for L S-P as a reminder of his old Force.

The ASP is ok for legs and arms, you need a heavy cap on the other end, it usually works...

However we keep an axe in our car and that will go through anything! :twisted:  :lol:

Including arms & legs, instead of the ASP??