Faith in the forum dented III

[muckmoses]

As you can see from my Sig I am the booking sec for Langley Farm 4x4.

Recently We started receiving booking forms back.  One of these forms had a letter explaining that they had been coming to LF for many years but after the rowdy party that was camped next to them they no longer felt safe at the event.

I do not know who the people were as we only found out about the insident AFTER it had happened, but this is the second year this has happened.  The first time it was caused by Mud Club members, who I will not name but you can search the forum and you will see them bragging about how they got so drunk they fell under tables and stayed there.

So if you want to come to Langley Farm 4x4 and have a good time, drive the off road course and trawl the trade stands and auto jumbles please come along (see events and meetings section)

But if all you intend to do is get drunk fall over and cause trouble please go to Peterborough  :?

[muddyjlx]

never been to langly farm.

whats it like and will i get a kicking as i drive a zook. :lol:

[Smego]

I have never been either BUT what was it about a roudy crowd that mad them feel UNSAFE?????

some people getting drunk and falling asleep is hardly scary!

[Edge]

Your going to get folk drinking at any event where they can camp overnight. You could ban all alcohol... but then i guess not many would turn up (so not really financially sound idea for yourselves).
Ideally you should organise separate areas.... 1 for a quiet nights kip & 1 for an all night party. Both will be happy then. (saying that, i dont know how big an area you have to play with).

[Dirty Gertie]

So if you want to come to Langley Farm 4x4 and have a good time, drive the off road course and trawl the trade stands and auto jumbles please come along (see events and meetings section)

But if all you intend to do is get drunk fall over and cause trouble please go to Peterborough  :?

I've never been to Langley Farm, but I have to say that it sounds as if some people don't know how to party!! As far as I'm concerned, weekend campouts/shows are all about working hard and partying even harder  :lol: (yes, I work at 'em too!!) some kill-joys had a gripe at a few of us at Billing last year for still being awake and cheerful ;) at 2 am on Saturday night; yeah, it was ONLY 2 am!! :shock: - for many of us, these meets are an opportunity to catch up with peeps we don't see at any other time of the year- I wouldn't be too concerned about the one complaint; they'd probably be happier at a ramblers camp, drinking cocoa and turning in at 9 after a quick chorus of 'Kum-byaa'  :lol:

[spinkster]

Janie your fun when your drunk ;) lol


but seriously as Janie said....most of us only ever meet twice a year and have to take the opportunity to catch up with each other.....and its not gonna be much of a bash if we sit round till 2am sipping cocoa and whispering!!

similarily the peeps that stay up late COULD complain about the children that get up at 8am and wake the rest of the site up!!!

[Team Landzuki]

As one of the organisers of the event I feel there is a difference between having a few beers at 2pm and rowdy threatening behaviour.

[corrosiverob]

May go to peterborough then!

[corrosiverob]

But as i go home (live in hudds) may go to langley!

[Eeyore]

I'm gonna back Muck up here.

To me, the first rule of a party is respect for others. If folk get drunk and rowdy they can start getting intimidating, and I'm not knocking anyone for finding that a scarey experience.

It's not up to others to accept that behaviour, it's up to the indivuals to respect the feelings of those others. LF is a family friendly do, and as the organsisors, Muck and his crew have every right to say whats acceptable and what isn't.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[spinkster]

just out of interest......what time is it considered acceptable to stay up till??? Will there be a limit on the amount of alcohol allowable?...i can't comment on what happened as i wasn't there but am permitted a point of view.......maybe Langley 2007 should be billed as a family only show....or an alcohol free show....or even a "lights out by midnight" event

apologies if this seems slightly pedantic but whats the point of a get together if you can't party??

[Xtremeteam]

having been involved in a light drink at eastnor & nearley all the events i go to, drumclog for one normally means lets see who can stay up the latest but i have an incling of who it was at LF & TBH i dont find excessive drinking a problem, however there is a fine line of which it is all to easy to step over like at drumclog with a said party who are now unwelcome due to going to far

(the scots like a laugh but a drunk rendition of donald wheres your troosers to a group of 10-15 scots from 4 yorkshiremen :roll:) still hasnt been forgotten about

[Jim-Willy]

I'm presuming this is aimed at me and mine......  yes we were drinking 'til the early hours last year not the year before and yes one of us got so drunk he was used as a table BUT.....  We played no music on purpose and were not threatening, we were probably laughing and talking most of the night tho' (ain't that normal?).......  we were sat around a wood burner and not stumbling around upsetting other partys.  We have no particular need to come back, so won't.

[bilge rat]

reading this thread with interest, went to the guiness world record attemp a couple of years ago. they had a quite area down the far end of the site, familys with kids or just people who wanted to chill. great idea then iff they want to party not to far to walk and iff they have had enough they just go back to theer quite bit. think its a good idea. maybee good for all people. them that want the peace when they want it and them that wana party all night. cheers alan......

[muddymart]

We used to attend an event called trax at manby show ground, we used to take the rally cars and out of our club, there used to be about 30 of us that used to go, and one year that we attended, we only got about 10 hours sleep the whole weekend, and we never got 1 complaint, this was about 10-12 yrs ago, and you can see how peoples attitude's have groups in camping/caravanning,
i can remember when i was young the campsite wouldnt allow all same sex groups.
even in one small group this year on a campsite(8 people) we had the warden come over at 8pm telling us to be quiet, and we was only having a bbq and a few beers, never go again,

though living in wakefield , we have been to lf for the past couple of years, and its been pretty good fun, and we have met some fab and friendly people. but we dont camp, im not saying its massive but personally i find the trade/auto jumble side has got smaller over the years

[The Ant Hill Mob]

If there's enough room, I agree with the idea you have an area for those that want peace & quiet, and another for those that want to stay up till the wee small hours pickling their livers.  As a recent convert to caravanning (ask RRB what I said about caravans a few years ago when he broached the idea), I have to say that I find children the worst culprits.  I need my sleep, I have ME and when I've run out of steam, that's it, it's like a normal person running full tilt into a brick wall (literally).  Being woken up by little b*****rs running around screaming their heads off at 8am has REALLY put me off family sites, now I look for adults only / quiet ones.
However, I did borrow a caravan a few years ago for the wicked Whaddon weekend, and that was brilliantly organised, the BBQ area was well away from the caravans, and when I'd had enough, I turned in and left RRB and others having a few beers, BUT then again everyone seemed to be in a family group and there wasn't too much consumption of falling-down juice.
IF, however, that group had started a drunken rendition of ANYTHING, I would've asked them nicely to shut up, then super-soaker would've been out to cool their antics, and if that didn't work,  the headmistress's voice would've been used in conjunction with 2 large dogs.  Failing that there's always the frying-pan, can always get a good swing with that.
I'll join in a drink and catch-up with my mates anytime (think the ladies night I'm organising proves that), but please be aware that there may be others with small children or who are ill that want a bit of piece & quiet later on.

[clbarclay]

Children at 8:00am? If your still trying to sleep then, your are probably making up for the late night/early morning before so you don't get my simpthy. The simple answer is to get up and put the kettle on and wake up the rest of the campsite with the smell of bacon.


6:30 am is a different matter. Memmories of a group scout camp where one tent of scouts was intent on waking up county at metioned time resulted in one leader telling them to be quiet with the threat of the bowl full of water in her hands.

When asked why she shouldn't throw it over them, one fool replied "becuse you wouldn't dare" [-X  wrong answer. After a good soaking (which they had to clean up :twisted: ) they soon shut up.



The one thing most people awake at 2:am don't realise is just how well noise carries.

[banditman]

Well, I am sufferring from a mixture of bewilderment at the initial post, upset at being asked to not attend and frustration at the feeling of being singled out...just for having fun...

why?

Because I am one of JW's crew that this seems to be aimed at, and yes, we like a party.....

As a family man, I also accept that when something is billed as a family event, some standards should be in place.....

Why then do I have to sheppard my daughter away from the beer tent area trying to avoid a full blown rendition of "Alice, Alice...who the f*** is Alice" from the beer tent...hardly a family song now is it ???

And why a little later on do I also have to suffer the embarassment myself of someone having a sex act carried out on them outside the beer tent between the toilets and the food stand in full view ????

Seems to me that If there were problems the year before with large groups causing problems, this should have been sorted by segregating at booking stage not causing it all over again.....

(Neil, weren't you there the year before with your new Rangie and a little tent...I don't remember any Mud Club nuisances at all?!)

I don't remember a post prior to last year either asking thieving gits stealing generators not to attend and we were very close to where all that kicked off....theft / voilence / Police.....yes real threats !!

We were a large bunch of volunteers willing to give up mucho time to help out this year given the cry for help from YLRO, but as it now appears we are not welcome, seems this will no longer be the case.

[muckmoses]

I am Muck's partner and i don't see why i and my two daughters should have to witness one of your memebers relieving himself against the sandwich board outside the entrance to the beer tent and then being so far gone as to fall on the floor in front of me. This was the year before last, no-one said Mud club caused the trouble last year.

The complaint we received concerned drunken, abusive, racist, threatening, aggressive behaviour and foul language. We do not know who these guys were but campers should not have to put up with that.

Nobody minds people sitting out having a chat and a drink with friends, we do it ourselves frequently but we do not bother anyone else.

If having had a skinful the night before should you really be driving the off road course the following day?

Seperate areas for partying and sleeping in theory is a good idea we do not really have the room to provide this, although it doesn't alter the above point.

The number of volunteers every year gets less. we put in more and more hours. Firstly we really don't need the hassle of other peoples bad behaviour and secondly so many of us will get so fed up that there will be no event. After nearly 25 years running this would be a great shame.

It is always a few who spoil it for the many!!!

[Jim-Willy]

That wasn't my lot i'm glad to say........  Nobody is underestimating the work you put in to make the event happen 8)

[Andy 300tdi]

I too was one of the party present last year and would gladly welcome some feedback on the 'alleged' threatening behaviour, as my recollection of the evenings events are the same as JW's, however I would add that it was also the same group of people who were wandering around the show ground at 4am 'checking' out car alarms which were sounding to ensure that peoples property was not being damaged or stolen.

if there had been problems of this nature in the past then I feel YLROC should have given consideration to the separation of the camping field as previously suggested.  

There will always be a 'difference' of view on 'acceptable behaviour' between those that have families and those that don't and those that are younger and those of more mature years, however without the youth joining in there will be no continuation of the interest in off-roading/shows etc. and will eventually lead to the demise of this life style.

sadly I have to agree with Banditman's final comments and echo those of JW. we were a group willing to give up our time to help ensure the continuation of this local event, however I won't attend anywhere where i am not welcome.

[mattyme]

ive read thru this thread with interest...

id be intrigued to know what the unacceptable behaviour was, and where it was... because i saw and heard none at all!! im a member of JW's crew and dont believe that it could be us that were racist and intimidating to others!! everyone has the right to feel safe and unintimidated by anything or anyone!!

i enjoyed last years langley farm very much, the off road course was small but good fun, the show itself was small but good all the same. it was very much a social event and like people have said earlier, some people only get to meet up with friends a couple of times a year at events like this. so obviously they are goin to sink a few beers and socialise.

what is the point in having a beer tent then tellin people not to get drunk!!? i thought that was the general idea of selling alcohol to people!!

at the end of the day we can all have an opinion about how to run things but its not the responsability of anyone except the organisors, and for what it is i think langley was run quite adequately last year... no major dramas, so why raise some dramas now?

[Miniman]

(the scots like a laugh but a drunk rendition of donald wheres your troosers to a group of 10-15 scots from 4 yorkshiremen :roll:) still hasnt been forgotten about

Hi everybody it was me who did the drunk rendition of donald wheres your troosers and tbh they all found it funny. Yes I do get drunk lads but I dont start fights or throw up all over the place like some. Also the year before at langley I was also one involved with helping ppl who had been robbed. When there was nobody from YLO to help out or speak to the police.....

Oh btw it was not us last year.....at langley..........
Nobody shouted or asked us to be quiet at all.......

Posts like this get blown out of proportion.... Like Mike Xtremeteam has done with Drumclog. The problem with Drumclog was me calling 1 girl Tina all weekend thats it..... Only because from the start I have been told it was tina and I had that in my head.... Tough if ya dont like it..... Her name was Tracy btw.... All was fine untill we all got home after the weekend and she put a post up mentioning it was IGNORANT of me to call her tina all weekend. Also the post did not say we was not welcome it mentioned if I was to be calling her by the wrong name again then we was not welcome..... Its silly if you ask me..... Sticks and stones and all that crap. Anyway I am not kicking off if ya dont like it dont go.....
You see by putting stupid posts up like this it gets noticed by lots of ppl and then they stop going due to your stupidity. If you know who it is then get them told......Also get someone to stay up at night and tell ppl to chill out if ya having problems......Easy..........Job done.....

[muddymart]

Hi Andy !!first time on here ive seem some local , as in the same town,hows it going....

[Andy 300tdi]

Not bad mate I belive your just up the road from me!! off manor road, so I'm told.
I also belive the riff Raff bumped into you in Derbyshire early on in the year but you were just leaving as I arrived

[muddymart]

havent been anywhere this year at all, im up on dewsbury road,but ive noticed a nice modded rangie on kingsway.

work is soon to start on the disco shortly, so pics will be going in my photos/profile section.

[Andy 300tdi]

In that case then there are at least four of us in Ossett.  The guy off manor road has a grey series rag top and the guy with the bobtailed rangie also has/had a red defender 300tdi.

I'm down by Kerrs fishing shop, near the prince of wales pub, will look out for you.

[corrosiverob]

Can I put my two pence in........

First of all I have been attending Langley farm for approx 10 years now and although the track has remained the same over the ten years I have enjoyed it and I am always looking forward around this time to attend again.

Last year I camped and had a few beers with the guys at gear to go stand where we were away from the campers and kept the noise levels down as much as possible.

The trade stand in question was quite close to the beer tent and as we had brought our own supply of ale we did not go in the beer tent at all.


However the word family event keeps coming up on this thread and I feel a family event should not have a beer tent that stays open until 2 am at the time you are looking at night club throwing out times and you will all know what happens outside a night club at that time.

I was not part of the JW group and did see them last year which they were great bunch of chaps and chapesses.

Muck can I make the following comments:

At Langley there is the main camping area then the is the upper field where the organisers are. would it not be better to place the groups there i.e. mud club, red rose 4x4 and the other small teams who like to party together?

If you remember I contacted you last year after the event this was due to being verbally abused by one of your event staff after the mud run i had my two under ten children in the car at the time :(

Rob

[redhand]

I really don't see why anyone can object to been asked to behave when they are out in Public. If People were loud, abusive, racist, urinating in public on their way home from the local nightclub/pub etc they would be liable to get arrested. Why would anyone thnk it's acceptable to behave illegally just because they're away from home.

[muddymart]

In that case then there are at least four of us in Ossett.   the guy with the bobtailed rangie also has/had a red defender 300tdi.

I'm down by Kerrs fishing shop, near the prince of wales pub, will look out for you.

Noticed that the guy on kingsway has a nice shiney disco td5 and the bobbed rangie now.