Being a Police Officer in the Uk

[L90OOK]

thats assuming he meant body shots the SAS shoot double taps for the mouth...they stop most things but i understand you have to be a heck of a marksman.

Yep...a UK military double tap :twisted: ...Yanks never get it right :roll:  

i think its sad that the police face possible prosecution for doing their job! its ridiculous!

Well said  =D>

[Jamin]

 AUSTRALIAN OFFICERS Answer:

 BANG!

Surely it would be " Thats not a knife.... " :D  :lol:  :D

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Blimey! It was meant to be an amusing aside to the current state of the Policing in the UK. :?
Guns? Believe me, some of the plods I've seen and worked with, I wouldn't trust with a hose pipe let alone a firearm, me included!
As for Anti-Social behaviour, I am a firm believer in the Ray Mullen school of Policing.
Zero tolerance, but for everybody.
You damage a park bench, a fine
You don't wear a seat belt, a fine
You gob gum on the street, a fine
You speed, a fine
No ifs and no buts.
No "Officer, you can't stop me, I am in the same Lodge as your Chief" "Oh really? Well, have a ticket with my name on it and give him my regards when you next see, buttmunch".
No "You iz only stoppin' me coz I is white/black/gay/straight/disabled/able bodied/drive a motorbike/drive a 4x4/drive a pimped up Nova or Saxo"."I'm stopping you because you broke the rules, you fool!"
Very simple.
You break the rules, your ass is grass.
You play by the rules, we'll get on fine sir.
You attack Emergency staff, you go do for 5 years hard labour and lots of bending down to pick up dropped soap.
I could go on, but I am starting to get angry.
All I want is a country where everyone can live a normal, happy life without the fear of crime, terrorism and other unpleasant stuff.
Utopia? May be.
You vote, you decide.

[Niel]

Hummm,

was it the flying squad or the local KC's that slotted those 2 in ChandlersFord today?

Niel.

[Bush Tucker Man]

You attack Emergency staff, you go do for 5 years hard labour and lots of bending down to pick up dropped soap.

Got to agree 100%

Attack Any member of any of the services, & you're going down for 5years!

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Hummm,

was it the flying squad or the local KC's that slotted those 2 in ChandlersFord today?

Niel.

Very interesting that! We've been talking about that today.  

Just seen the news. Looks like a Squad job.

[Boggert]

That is just so true!

Made me smile!

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Oh lordy, it's going to be 'cat/pigeon interface scenario'

Oookay, my view is that we give the police guns all the time. Not because of fear of crime, but because everytime we let 'em have guns at the moment they seem to get a little bit excitable and 'accidents' happen. Yeah, okay, it's a gross generalisation, but bear with me a mo.

'Accidents' can include a guy carrying a chair leg in a carrier-bag getting shot. Or an electrician getting gunned down, point black, on the tube. Niether of these guys had commited a capital offense, yet by their misunderstanding of the situation they both end up dead. And that's not right.  Miscomprehension isn't a crime.

So, in some respects, yes, the inncoent do have something to fear. If I get wrongfully arrested, at the moment I walk away with a sound apology and a wad of cash. If I get wrongly jobbed, then I walk nowhere. An apology ain't a lot of use to me when I'm six foot down.

If we give more of our serving officers guns - is the sense of responsibility going to improve, or will I get jobbed one day for mishearing a shouted command?*

I don't think it's wrong that anyone should avoid prosecution for actions leading to the loss of life. Whether they're found guily afterwards, well, thats a different question.

cheers
 8)
Eeyore

*FWIW and being serious for a mo, after a settling-in period I think the novelty of having a firearm will wear off and our boys in blue will be stable with the additional responsibilty. The question then comes if whether having a gun will make them more of a target? As long as I get a sensible answer to the responsibility question, I think I'm cool with the concept.  

In all seriousness, I personally think it would be unlikely for every officer to be armed full time, purely on the logistics side of things. The cost of equipping everybody with weapons and armour and also the cost of training, refresher courses and setting up of ranges would be prohibitive.
The other thing would be mentally capable of carrying a gun? I can think of at least three occasions in my 16 years  where I would have been more than justified in pulling the trigger, but if I would have been able to is another matter.
In relation to the two incidents mentioned above. Both were tragic accidents, agreed, but what has to be bourne in mind is that the officers reacted after having received a briefing before hand.
If the briefing is formed round information that the subject is carrying a weapon, then it surely has to be accepted by all there that he is carrying a weapon.
This is why there are more trials being carried out in relation to other methods such as Tazer.
The other question would then be would a Tazer be the right weapon to stop a suicide attacker, with a electrically operated device?

It is a very emotive subject and constanly looked at with hindsight.
 
There will now be reports in the Press about the shooting in Hampshire, and it won't all be good. Excessive force, gung ho cops etc etc. This is the same Press that two weeks ago were on about arming the Police full time.
No mention of the poor guys who were doing their job, that they are paid
to do, as they now get suspended and investigated.
Again, its tragic that two people have died, but if they go out with the intention of carrying firearms, imatation or otherwise to commit crime, then no sympathy.

[Boggert]

I have always said I would not want to carry a gun at work... no way

however a Taser Is a different story, just as affective and with out so much chance of killing some one.

[att]

Looks like they did not mess around in Chandlers Ford 8)

I spent a lot of time with the US Police in the 90`s.....Very interesting indeed...Not to mention a tad racist in the Southern States. :(

I was made an Honourary Police Officer and still have the proclamation to this day :oops:  8)

[Bush Tucker Man]

As for Anti-Social behaviour, I am a firm believer in the Ray Mullen school of Policing.
Zero tolerance, but for everybody.

And the Sheriff Joe Arpaio(?)style of imprisonment?

http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Sheriff_Bio

You vote, you decide.

Would you be in favour of having a public election in the requisite county/force area to select the Chief Constable, instead of the Home Office appointing Officers???

I was in favour of Ray Mallons way of working. I particularly liked his (post resigning) speech to the Police Federation(?) when he told the Officers present to;
Kick in the doors of known dealers/thugs/criminal elements in your town.
Drag them to the station, charge them & let your superiors worry about their Human rights issues
(or words to that effect)
My kind of cop

Keith Helliwell was another one to watch before he fell foul of the Labour party muck-raking machine& was banished

[Bush Tucker Man]

Just browsing the 'MSCO.org' site I linked to above.

What a great idea, photos of fugitives & relevant information, dead-beats, etc.....


Sadly I can't see it catcing on over here

PLUS, there's a tribute page to the Officers who died in the line of duty

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Looks like they did not mess around in Chandlers Ford 8)

I spent a lot of time with the US Police in the 90`s.....Very interesting indeed...Not to mention a tad racist in the Southern States. :(

I was made an Honourary Police Officer and still have the proclamation to this day :oops:  8)

does that mean you can say "you picked the wrong county to haul ass through, boy!"

A very illuminating experience, I should think! :?

[Niel]

Very interesting that! We've been talking about that today.  

Just seen the news. Looks like a Squad job.

I thought I recognised one of the UMARVs from Segensworth too, by the looks of it they had some good inside info, makes a change, in Eastleigh its usually the russians...

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

I can hear it now. The challenge to the villains;

"Drop the shootah, you slaaaaagggg, you're surrounded by armed 'bar stewards!"