265/75/16 on a disco with no lift ?

[tomkbucks]

ok ive checked all the tyre size guides etc, im happy to cut arches but not being to technical dont know what ' adjust steering ' and ' bump stops ' actually means, have i got any chance of fitting these on my 98' disco without moving to a suspention lift ? cant afford to spend the money on a lift and a little worried about all the other jobs that may need to be done at the same time !

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

265/75/16 will fit on a 3 door easy just cut the arch to the maxed flared out bit all around. 5 door mmm possible major work with the grinder. the bump stop can be lowerd by using long bolts with a metal pole spacer but limits travel but does not bottem out. as for steering lock just turn less with normal tyres on u rtain full turning circle. or just fit axle spacers there only 5o quid for a 2 inch lift brakes and everything else will cope but limited travel .

[tomkbucks]

mm thanks , so it should fit btu limited travel ? how to i increase the bump stops and were do i get these spacers ? are they spacers taht fit above the springs ? sorry not very good with this sort of thing !

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

unbolt the bump stops replace the short bolts with 2inch longer one use washer or use hs steed rod cut to 2 inches over the bolt to fill the gap. for extreme use they need to be weld to a contour plate to match the original spec layout to look at. its save buying extended ones which are 40 quid also these  can be alter for increased travel on larger wheels . travel upwards will be reduced by 2inches that all drop will be increased due to larger tyre. i might be able to give a drawing of them

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

if u have auto just use a 2inch body lift kit .it lifts the body to clear the tyres easy

[tomkbucks]

oh dear sounds complicated, to be honest i cant afford the suspention lift so watnt o stick to standard if poss

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

leave it with me i ll find the drawin and post them on line havent got them on me yet thinkin of a other 5 inches of lift

[Iain C]

TBH don't bother.  Mine just fit and that's with a 2" lift.  If you want to go off road you'll need that lift really, if you are going to sty on road it will be better as standard.

From having had my 265s on 2 different sets of wheels, the wheel offset seems to be critical too...

[tomkbucks]

ok best leave it then :( same as ive been offered a good set of 265's ive got a set of 225's at the mo and they are just AT's want something more meaty...

[Iain C]

That's what I did...bought the tyres first, asked questions later.  On those tyres it was a case of having to go the whole hog or not at all.  At the time I cursed myself for buying them, but having done it all and gone off road properly last weekend it was well worth it.

[cardiff_gareth]

the largest you can go on a standard set up is 245/75r16's but these require a little cutting. If you don't wantto cut then go 245/70r16s as these will go on no problems and they are meatier. I had 225 and they were pants, didn't hold the road, wandering etc etc.

If you look at the post I put on in Disco section called front valance removed.... you'll see the 245's  

[cardiff_gareth]

TBH don't bother.  Mine just fit and that's with a 2" lift.  If you want to go off road you'll need that lift really, if you are going to sty on road it will be better as standard.

I've heard this as well, you'll want the lift kit which really are just shocks and springs. I think it was Wizard who told me that the spacers he sells are good and a cheap way of lifting but really you want to use them in conjuntion with lift springs and shocks.

[tomkbucks]

i think i will go for a set of 235/85/16 , ive got 225's at the moment and just dont look right !

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

235/85 / 16 run at 32 inch high compared to 265 which depend on tread are 31inch for 14mm of tread and 31.75 inches at 20mm of tread. so they will be worst. what door model have u got?

standard tyre have the hight of 30 inchs.

i had 235/70/16 grizzly claws before a lift and they caught on the back arch.

my back arch has be cut camel ways by 5 inches think i removed 2 inchs on standard tyres

[Iain C]

TBH don't bother.  Mine just fit and that's with a 2" lift.  If you want to go off road you'll need that lift really, if you are going to sty on road it will be better as standard.

I've heard this as well, you'll want the lift kit which really are just shocks and springs. I think it was Wizard who told me that the spacers he sells are good and a cheap way of lifting but really you want to use them in conjuntion with lift springs and shocks.

Worms...can of!

Thing is, if you do that you'll also need bumpstops, and as such as your axle is now lower, longer flexis too.  Apparently (although not sure how true this is) a single shock is not meaty enough to hang an axle off, so you need the straps too (although surely the front axle is heaver yet the straps are for the rear...

So basically, the advice I was given and would give, is if you want to put big tyres on, fine, but you'll need to do a lift and do the whole thing properly.

[cardiff_gareth]

It depends from one to another and I know what you mean by can of, you ask 2 people who will give you 2 different answers.

I heard and have been told by various people that for just 2" then shocks and springs are fine, anything more than that then its extended brake hoses, extended bump stops, caster correction radius arms and the list goes on.

I've not heard about the twin shocks for lift kits though, most people on here I think have lowered shock turrets for the front and also lowered shock thingys for the back but these only accomodate 1 shock  :?

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

if u drive a disco with plus 2 .

its okay on the road and offroad all the extra stuff is really need for a pre 92 defender cause of driveline stress is effected.

had mine this way and no probs at all infact the steering seems to be better

[tomkbucks]

mmm ive got a 98 Commercial, i dont mind cutting arches, but dont want to do anything mroe really , want a tyre that looks good , and is better off road than my 225's ( have BF AT at the mo )

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

TAKE A LOOK OF THIS THEN

[Iain C]

I heard and have been told by various people that for just 2" then shocks and springs are fine, anything more than that then its extended brake hoses, extended bump stops, caster correction radius arms and the list goes on.

I've not heard about the twin shocks for lift kits though, most people on here I think have lowered shock turrets for the front and also lowered shock thingys for the back but these only accomodate 1 shock  :?

For +2", bumpstops are certainly needed, otherwise, when articulating, your wheel will go up too far.  When you see all these extreme trick suspension mods, they are allowing the wheel to go down further to keep in contact with the ground, not up further (that's what I was told by a very good specialist).  However, your wheel will only go down further if you fit longer shocks, allowing more twist, otherwise you end up with standard articulation, just parallel and 2"lower if you follow me.

So, if you have longer shocks, you need the cones and the hoses to suit.  There are kits out there with +2" springs but standard length gas shocks  that just increase ride height but give you no more articulation, but if you want more twist you need the other bits.

However the general consensus seems to be that you really do not need castor correction unless you are going above 2".   There will be a slight difference to the steering, but you can live with it.

WRT twin shocks, don't read too much into that, I was told by that same specialist that one shock on it's own can break if you hang the whole weight of the axle off it when cresting a rise at full chat (shocks are designed to be compression, not tension), and ideally you would fit another shock (very rare and very expensive) or straps (cheap but sometimes get in the way) or just live with the risk (probably perfectly OK 99% of the time for normal non-competitive off roading)

[extreme90]

I heard and have been told by various people that for just 2" then shocks and springs are fine, anything more than that then its extended brake hoses, extended bump stops, caster correction radius arms and the list goes on.

I've not heard about the twin shocks for lift kits though, most people on here I think have lowered shock turrets for the front and also lowered shock thingys for the back but these only accomodate 1 shock  :?

For +2", bumpstops are certainly needed, otherwise, when articulating, your wheel will go up too far.  When you see all these extreme trick suspension mods, they are allowing the wheel to go down further to keep in contact with the ground, not up further (that's what I was told by a very good specialist).  However, your wheel will only go down further if you fit longer shocks, allowing more twist, otherwise you end up with standard articulation, just parallel and 2"lower if you follow me.

thats not strictly true
you do need a certain amount of upwards travel, or your just wasting you time
upwards travel isnt dictated by the bump stops as some people think also  :roll:
upward travel id dictated by how mush the springs will compress, different rates/poundages will compress differently

in my case my axle never hits the bumps even tho they are extended

if you cant afford a lift or want to keep it std
then why not just get a meatier tread pattern in a suitablesize that will fit  :roll:

a friends has got some 235/70r16 grizzlys on his std disco and just had to bend the rear 1/4 panel out abit

dan