OOPS, Hants Road Saftey Partnership in trouble AGAIN

[Evilgoat]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/display.var.1754492.0.will_speeding_fine_blunder_cost_20m.php

I know the stretch of road they mean too.

Starts at Segensworth roundabout. Used to be national speed limit.

Now a 40
then a 60
then a 40 again

Then as you go into Fareham
40
30
40
30
40
30

Every bloody 200 yards!

£20Mil is a lot of fines, sureley SOMEONE should have twigged something was wrong!

[auf_wiedersehen_pet]

I know what you mean - drive that way every morning and evening.

The 40/30/40 lark is very, very confusing. The 30s are there to slow people down before they turn off the main road into the side road - which is already a 30!!!

It should be 40 throughout with 30mph "gates" as they turn off the A27.

 :(bloodshot):

[Niel]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/display.var.1754492.0.will_speeding_fine_blunder_cost_20m.php

I know the stretch of road they mean too.

Starts at Segensworth roundabout. Used to be national speed limit.

Now a 40
then a 60
then a 40 again

Errr, From Segensworth R/B 50 for 200m, then 40 until Highlands road junction in Fareham proper, the did away with the 60 bit in the middle a while back, to increase income????

[SteveGoodz]

It was reported in the local press recently that North Somerset Council are pulling out of the Avon & Somerset Safety Camera Partnership because there is no evidence that they contribute to road safety at all.

I'm a member of our local IAM group and we had a talk from one of the partnership guys recently. All the way through his talk he referred to "safety" cameras and got right miffed when we all called them "speed" cameras. When asked if they could detect drunk drivers, dangerous drivers, those without a license, road tax or insurance, those with bald or under-inflated tyres, etc he had to say no ~ all they can do is catch inattentive speeders. Point made  :D

[V8MoneyPit]

I'm a member of our local IAM group and we had a talk from one of the partnership guys recently. All the way through his talk he referred to "safety" cameras and got right miffed when we all called them "speed" cameras. When asked if they could detect drunk drivers, dangerous drivers, those without a license, road tax or insurance, those with bald or under-inflated tyres, etc he had to say no ~ all they can do is catch inattentive speeders. Point made  :D

Ooo, I bet you enjoyed that. I would have loved to have seen his face  :twisted:

[Niel]

In view of further creeping stupidity of 20mph speed limit I came
across the following:

Latest national figures indicate that average accident severity is far
higher in 20mph zones than in 30mph zones."

# In 20mph zones in 2006 17% of injury crashes were fatal or serious

# In 30mph zones in 2006 13% of injury crashes were fatal or serious
 
It would seem that the Council in Portsmouth are intent on killing off
the inhabitants

[SteveGoodz]

In view of further creeping stupidity of 20mph speed limit I came
across the following:

Latest national figures indicate that average accident severity is far
higher in 20mph zones than in 30mph zones."

# In 20mph zones in 2006 17% of injury crashes were fatal or serious

# In 30mph zones in 2006 13% of injury crashes were fatal or serious
 
It would seem that the Council in Portsmouth are intent on killing off
the inhabitants

Unfortunately Neil, it doesn't say how fast the vehicle was actually travelling at. Being in a 20 or 30 zone doesn't mean that was how fast they were going. Around here (Bristol) 20 zones are cropping up all over the place and the people who you see speeding are generally the local residents  :?

[clbarclay]

Accident severity may be worse in a 20 zone but how do the accident freguancies compare?

[datalas]

It would seem that the Council in Portsmouth are intent on killing off
the inhabitants

Considering they're from Portsmouth,  is that an entirely bad thing ?

/me runs for cover

[Evilgoat]

In view of further creeping stupidity of 20mph speed limit I came
across the following:

Latest national figures indicate that average accident severity is far
higher in 20mph zones than in 30mph zones."

# In 20mph zones in 2006 17% of injury crashes were fatal or serious

# In 30mph zones in 2006 13% of injury crashes were fatal or serious
 
It would seem that the Council in Portsmouth are intent on killing off
the inhabitants

I have to say in the right place I back this. Having lived in a contry where they actively enforce these limits areound schools and playgrounds and MAN are the punishments harsh. First offence gets you loads of points. Second offence is a ban. And thats 20KPH. Oddly enough they dont have the problem with kids being flattened to and from schools/playgrounds.

[Niel]

Latest national figures indicate that average accident severity is far
higher in 20mph zones than in 30mph zones."

# In 20mph zones in 2006 17% of injury crashes were fatal or serious

# In 30mph zones in 2006 13% of injury crashes were fatal or serious
 

Unfortunately Neil, it doesn't say how fast the vehicle was actually travelling at. Being in a 20 or 30 zone doesn't mean that was how fast they were going. Around here (Bristol) 20 zones are cropping up all over the place and the people who you see speeding are generally the local residents  :?

Well if reports are right the taxi's are already ignoring then, as are the buses, it all started when a cyclist rode out infront of a bus on a Zebra crossing and got splatted.
The Police are particularly bad too, a former neighbour (transfered in from the MET) suffered a white knuckle ride with an AFO going to a shop robbery, reported after the fact so not 'urgent', 50-70 mph though the North End's residential roads with cars parked both sides, past schools etc, no lights or horns, just 'red mist', crazy!

[SteveGoodz]

Well if reports are right the taxi's are already ignoring then, as are the buses, it all started when a cyclist rode out infront of a bus on a Zebra crossing and got splatted.

Hey, come on here! Cyclists on zebra crossings are fair game .. they're not supposed to use them  :D

Only joking, honest  :P