nos

[muddymesser]

would any one happen to know if nos would work on a patrol y60 2.8 ???


oh n its on derv

and could the engin take it ???

[Steven]

Why is the 2.8 a bit slugish or something...  :lol:

[muddymesser]

no its fairly quick

but my grandad just sold his house n were getting a bung

so me n my dad have just bin thinking bout a nos kit on th patrol and other things

:)

and thinkin of the boy racers faces

[wrecker]

you can nos on any thing if ya fancy mucking around to get it spot on,

id say the motor would take it depending when and how you use it,

if it were me id have a 2 bottles,perge kit,

use 1 bottel at once not at the same time,then you would blow it to bits,

id also set it at a steady 1 bar,maybe 1,5 bar if in quick spirts,,

hope this helps mate  8)  8)

[muddymesser]

yeah that helps

thanks

[SWEETY]

It will work but I would get in touch a few NOS companies as to the set up you may need. I would start with 25bhp jets 1st & see how things go, but you may get away with 50bhp jets

[paradigm shift]

Guys, NOS is a brand name (Short for Nitrous Oxide Systems). You're talking about nitrous oxide in the general sense.

NO2 is supposed to work pretty well on diesels. Far better than on petrol engines anyway, but if you're really interested in power gains I'd just look at uprating the engine's breathing and turn the boost up. It'll be cheaper and more effective.. people really only use nitrous as anti-lag on setups with a daft sized turbo.

[UKJeeper]

Also, look into LPG. From what i've read, a single LPG injector in the intake of a diesel works like NOS for oil burners. A LOT of the diesel pickups in the US use it to help when pulling those huge 5th wheel caravan's about. You can use it to lower fuel costs too.

Browse through this Google search. First blokes a bit negative, but the rest are very informative.

[Range Rover Blues]

I've heard very good things about LPG into a Deiasel, lower emisions (EEC5) better economy on a run and better power.

LPG is a catalyst for the oxidation process, so makes it more efficient, which is why you don't need to mess around with Deisel fuelling rates or any of that nonsence like you would with NOS, oh and it's easier to get hold of.

[Eeyore]

I've been on the periphery of a couple of projects looking at this. From test bed data, the emissions when injecting LPG go to pot - nitrous emissions increase hugely (wouldn't pass EEC 5). This is mainly because LPG ups the temperture of combustion.

Interestingly, none of the LPG injection companies will display that test bed data (if they even have any). But no, EEC5 won't be happening. However, as this is being retro-fitted to older vehicles then these emissions controls don't overly apply so it shouldn't present too much of a problem (apart from sinking one of the 'green' myths).

As said, it ups the temperature of combustion which can lead to interesting erosion on valves, seats, downstream exhaust components and pistons. Not saying injecting LPG is a bad thing, but the whole LPG issue genuinely lacks proper and rigourous testing. The claimed fuel economy may be a little exagerated but genuine savings (and not insiginificant ones) do appear to be possible. It just life-compromises the engine. And no-one knows how much, either.

Interestingly, LPG is always hailed as being great for diesels, so why don't any manufacturers offer it on HGVs, plant generation, yellow goods etc? These are the kinds of guys to whom fuel economy means serious money.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[Terranosaurus]

Interestingly, LPG is always hailed as being great for diesels, so why don't any manufacturers offer it on HGVs, plant generation, yellow goods etc? These are the kinds of guys to whom fuel economy means serious money.

I've seen it on a pretty much brand new HGV, not sure which manufacturer, I was just chatting to the driver as we were doth filling up, can't remember the size of the LPG tank on his tractor unit but it was enormous, he must have had to be at the pump for ages, mine takes long enough to fill 50-60 litres god only knows how long a few hundred will take.

[Eeyore]

Very interesting - and ta for the update!

I'll do some sniffing about.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[martha focker]

Interestingly, LPG is always hailed as being great for diesels, so why don't any manufacturers offer it on HGVs, plant generation, yellow goods etc? These are the kinds of guys to whom fuel economy means serious money.

I've seen it on a pretty much brand new HGV, not sure which manufacturer, I was just chatting to the driver as we were doth filling up, can't remember the size of the LPG tank on his tractor unit but it was enormous, he must have had to be at the pump for ages, mine takes long enough to fill 50-60 litres god only knows how long a few hundred will take.

yes you say it takes ages but really it only takes the same as petrol, it is just the price is going up really slow, remember what the eye can see the mind believes :D


just a question for you lot.

does anybody know how much it is to convert my landy 300tdi, i mean it would be cheap to run but it will also take a hell of a long time to pay it back too :?:

[Terranosaurus]

Interestingly, LPG is always hailed as being great for diesels, so why don't any manufacturers offer it on HGVs, plant generation, yellow goods etc? These are the kinds of guys to whom fuel economy means serious money.

I've seen it on a pretty much brand new HGV, not sure which manufacturer, I was just chatting to the driver as we were doth filling up, can't remember the size of the LPG tank on his tractor unit but it was enormous, he must have had to be at the pump for ages, mine takes long enough to fill 50-60 litres god only knows how long a few hundred will take.

yes you say it takes ages but really it only takes the same as petrol, it is just the price is going up really slow, remember what the eye can see the mind believes :D


just a question for you lot.

does anybody know how much it is to convert my landy 300tdi, i mean it would be cheap to run but it will also take a hell of a long time to pay it back too :?:

Mine certainly takes ages, you  can fil 2 or 3 petrol tanks in the time mine takes, people regularly do and pay for their fuel, next customer comes along etc, I'm stood there for ages.

[martha focker]

we never had that problem with our disco, it was pretty quick 8)

[Bulli]

if you want Nitrous speak to Trev at Wizards of Nos. They are based in Doncaster and do some reasonably priced kits that are state of the art.

Trev has developed the kit over 20 years and its probably the best available.

LPG injection is used to boost the power of diesel and is effective. As far as i know you cant run a diesel on it.

[solihull-mick]

I second that wizard of nos are very good kits, have fitted a few of there kits over the years never had one come back, did fit a 75 bhp kit to a bmw 330 td, went very well,

[Range Rover Blues]

I was chatting with my friendly LPG guy today so I asked him.

Apparently in real-world tests the emission tend to fall with the exception of Hc, which rise.  Also exhaust manifold temp can be up to 15% lower, understandable if more energy is being released in the combustion chamber.  The catalytic effect rasies thermal efficiency, or something like that.

Apparently it help get to Euro 4 standard, not 5 as I had thought.  Given how complicated the likes of Peugeot have made things getting to the same place I think it's got potential.

ANyway, there is a new kit on the market that apperently "listens" to the engine for pinking or excessive detonation which is caused by too much LPG, these kits are far better than previous systems which could be difficult to set up correctly.  I also understand that as an older engine runs on LPG is become cleaner and needs recallibrating.



As an aside a mate is working on research for a company that are developning a Hydrogen cell for Deisel cars, it turns tapwater into Hydrogn and Oxegen as the car drives.  The oxegen is 'waste' but the hydrogen is again a catalyst for the deisel process.  Interstingly he told me their test car is a 300TDi :)