NCP (DVLA) want snatch rights from enclosed private property

[Niel]

New driveway blitz on untaxed cars

Untaxed cars could be removed from owners´ driveways and crushed under
proposed new rules.

Sweeping powers for the DVLA, which would let its staff enter private land,
could affect the two million-plus vehicles sporting out-of-date discs.

At present, the Government can only intervene if a car is parked on a
public road. Commercial contractor NCP Services, which already has an
agreement with the licensing authority to tow and destroy illegal motors,
is proposing the changes. It´s currently in discussion with the DVLA and
Department for Transport. If successful, the new rules will allow its
employees on to your property to clamp, remove or scrap your motor.

An NCP Services spokesman said: "We want access to private property to
remove cars being driven without tax. At present, we know where they are
but can´t get to them."

A DVLA spokeswoman said that law-abiding motorists had nothing to fear: "If
you´ve purchased your road fund licence or correctly applied for the
Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN), there won´t be a problem."

http://tinyurl.com/36rcna

[BigBlue90]

We want access to private property to
remove cars being driven without tax

If there being driven around on the road and being hidden when not, Then it seems like a good idea.

I have to pay for mine so it seems fair that everyone else should play fair and pay too.

[glaggs]

Rules like this always appear great on the surface, its when some jobsworth uses it to crush your landy parts 'cos some nimby neighbour doesn't like the view from his/her backyard. And quiet frankly the ruling will do nothing to deter those determind to break the law, just penalise the generaly law abiding among us. I'm for enforcing existing legislation fairly, not introducing new rules to improve the crime solving statistics. This used to be a free and democratic nation which tolorated individuality!

[Evilgoat]

Err No

The DVLA are a bunch of utter imcompetants when it comes to paperwork and the law is to damn vague as it is.

Scenario 1) I sorn my car, pop it on my driveway and they turn up and remove it because the DVLA/PO have lost the sorn before it gets to the point I'm worried about it not having arrived.

Scenario 2) I buy a new car for a project, park it up knowing I have 6 months SORN left, a week later is gone (till recently I wasnt aware you had to re sorn any car you purchased if it had time left or not)

These people have no right at all to enter my properly and in the situation they tried they would find problems with doing so. Might be time to start rawbolting things into the drive.

Yes all good an well them going for illegal cars that are being driven but given their history...

[wing nut]

if they know these vehicles are being driven ,then why not wait for the offence to happen ? that way a stiffer fine or prison can be dealt for those driving without insurance or mot too :?  kills 2 birds with one stone then

[Yoshi]

If it sticks to cars that are evidently being driven on the road then its a good idea.

[Wireless]

hang about a minute...time period for SORN?

I SORNed two VW's on my drive about 2 years ago, they are still THERE (much to the wife's moaning about it), what's this about having 6 months to run?  I thought once you SORNed it that was it.

I've had no reminder from DVLA about putting Road Tax on them, or re-SORNing them, so what's this all about?

From the sound of things I'm supposed to remember to re-SORN the vehicles, and with this new thread mentioning they take them away I'm getting a bit worried that they will disappear from my drive one day.

Should I be worried?  Should I be re-SORNing every 12 months?

Does DVLA have a duty to remind people when a SORN 'runs out'?

I'm starting to get a nervous twitch here...

[bob86]

Sorn only last for 12 months. They dont always send a reminder either. I had a fine and had to pay the back tax because I forgot all about the sorn running out on a car Ive got parked up.

[skip]

NO! NO! NO! My property and my right to say who comes on it. Get a warrant or **** OFF!!!!

These goverment quangos already have to many powers that are being used irresponsibly.

How about, arresting the owner instead then detain them untill the vehicle is handed over.

Anyway it's not going to make any difference, as soon as one banger has been removed and crushed there will be another parked in it's place.

[Wolfie]

Should I be worried?  Should I be re-SORNing every 12 months?

Does DVLA have a duty to remind people when a SORN 'runs out'?
...

Yes, you should have had a reminder. It lasts for 12 months.

Details here http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/UntaxedVehicle/DG_4022058

or google "dvla sorn" as that link might not work.

[Wireless]

Just sodding checked the DVLA website, a SORN is for 12 months, and according to V890 they are supposed to send a reminder, and they haven't!

Well, I see an underhand move on behalf of DVLA & NCP here; the public SORN, DVLA doesn't remind, and NCP takes the vehicle away from private drives!

Right, online SORNs for both vehicles about to be undertaken...they'll prolly fine me or something, which would be another scam, since they haven't reminded me, [edit] the lot of them!

[M0EAF]

IF THEY GOT RID OF THE ROAD TAX ALTOGETHER AND PUT A FEW PENCE ON FUEL, THEN PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!!!!!!

[Evilgoat]

Just sodding checked the DVLA website, a SORN is for 12 months, and according to V890 they are supposed to send a reminder, and they haven't!

Well, I see an underhand move on behalf of DVLA & NCP here; the public SORN, DVLA doesn't remind, and NCP takes the vehicle away from private drives!

Right, online SORNs for both vehicles about to be undertaken...they'll prolly fine me or something, which would be another scam, since they haven't reminded me, [edit] the lot of them!

I've not had them before which is kinda what I was angling at.

[Elmo]

IF THEY GOT RID OF THE ROAD TAX ALTOGETHER AND PUT A FEW PENCE ON FUEL, THEN PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!!!!!!

This has been mooted for years and it does in all honesty make a lot of sense especially in a "bash the gas guzzlers" environment.

[generation-x]

IF THEY GOT RID OF THE ROAD TAX ALTOGETHER AND PUT A FEW PENCE ON FUEL, THEN PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!!!!!!

i totally agree
if like me u have more than 2 cars in the family then its get expensive
2 road cars as me and the wife work different hrs
and my offroader which @ best gets used once a month but still have to pay full tax so thats 3 taxes @ 100 quid each
so if the goverment put a bit (more) on fuel id vote for them as im sure most others wud in the same situation

simon

[Bunnie]

think you could get them to go for a 'general' car insurance too? then i might be able to drive the zuki and the pug!

[Wireless]

Update

SORN on one vehicle ran out on 01/11/06, and the SORN on the other runs out on 12/12/07.

Apparently, without realising it, or being reminded, or notified, I've committed an offence.  Thank you DVLA, I've never broken any laws before, now it seems I can break them in my sleep.

It would appear that, if you had not raised this thread, that one day both cars would have gone missing from my driveway.

I assume they crush them?  They'd crush a '68 Beetle (the one whose SORN had run out and wouldn't actually need a fee for a RFL as it's an Historic Vehicle), and a '73 Variant?

I think you're right, you either bolt them to the floor, or hide them in a garage so NCP could be done for breaking and entering.

What a bunch of [edit]!

[att]

It`s all about control, nothing to do with 'catching' offenders.
It will be passed and yet again we will all roll over......Our homes will very soon become a fortress from the authorities, especially when they start using the listening devices on lamp posts......  

[Range Rover Blues]

If the untaxed car is being driven on the road then catch it on the road.

The DVLA cannot be trusted to watch paint dry without supervision.  I'm now having to pay an £80 fine for not decalring SORN on a car I don't own, I sold it a year ago.  Because the DVLA never issued a new V5 to the new owner, even though they let him surrender the tax disk when he sold it on.

If they crush you car there is no right of appeal, if it's on my driveway I'm commiting no offence.

HOW MANY CARS HAVE HAD THEIR NUMBER PLATES REMOVED BY PETROL THEIVES?


Stupid over-zelous nanny state government

It's about time they started delivering the stuff they promisse 10 years ago rather than trying to get their hands deeper into my pockets

[DEANO3528]

Update

They'd crush a '68 Beetle (the one whose SORN had run out and wouldn't actually need a fee for a RFL as it's an Historic Vehicle), and a '73 Variant?

I know I would!  :lol:

Ugly bloomin' things 8)

I hadn't heard about the anomally with acquiring another vehicle and having to redeclare SORN. I have always assumed and never been proved wrong so far, that registering a new owner just rolled it over. You normally still receive the V11 at the renewal time and choose your option.

[crazymac]

They do not have to send reminders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had this with my trialer that I had kept on SORN, The SORN had run out and I recieved a fine in the post.

When I challenged it on the basis of no reminder I recieved a reply that quoted legislation at me. It basically said that they did not have to send reminders, even for actually taxing your vehicle!!

I'll try and find the legislation they quoted at me (I don't have the email any more as I've changed my computer!) and get it on here.

Interestingly my 2a also ran out but I didn't get a fine for that! I assume because it is tax exempt?

[Evilgoat]

They do not have to send reminders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had this with my trialer that I had kept on SORN, The SORN had run out and I recieved a fine in the post.

When I challenged it on the basis of no reminder I recieved a reply that quoted legislation at me. It basically said that they did not have to send reminders, even for actually taxing your vehicle!!

I'll try and find the legislation they quoted at me (I don't have the email any more as I've changed my computer!) and get it on here.

Interestingly my 2a also ran out but I didn't get a fine for that! I assume because it is tax exempt?

Audi 80 ran out when I purchased it. was 5 months later I found out about the renewal thing and it had since run out 3 months ago and nothing. Got the spanish inquisition at the DVLA when I taxed it though.

[wing nut]

this was my encounter

http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=32141&highlight=sorn

[Niel]

http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/nieljohn/NCPDVLARaid

A few photo's of their road side raids earlier this year, as a part-time 'press' photographer I was able to put up with their attempted intimidation, I suspect they'd have tried to have assaulted me and stolen the camera if they'd thought they could have gotten away with it.

As it is I wonder if they do crush them as lifted, of if they are sifted first for valubles/parts, as disposal in commercial scrap yards/metal recycling yards they have by law to drain all fluids  etc....

DVLA and NCP's pikey employee's, I wouldn't trust them an inch!

[simdeb]

i got fined around 80 for not sorning

[johnpirate]

When my series SORN is due I know it and renew before hand.But if someone appeared at my door trying to grab it out of the garden. One small angry person with large thing that goes bang in my hand telling them to go away in jerky movements.English man and his castle enforced

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

When my series SORN is due I know it and renew before hand.But if someone appeared at my door trying to grab it out of the garden. One small angry person with large thing that goes bang in my hand telling them to go away in jerky movements.English man and his castle enforced

The 'Englishman's home is his castle' is a myth and always has been. At the end of the day, the vehicle is still your property. NCP is a private company who are interested only in profit. Any Government service being run by a private company is a dangerous thing. It  started with the Police some years ago, with 'Private' sponsorship of various departments. We tried to fight against it but were overuled. Will the last person out of the country please turn off the lights and gas, if the Russians haven't already done it?

[Welshbreed]

no more tax on fuel, no trying to crush cars!

tax in Guernsey (see British crown dependency) is 50p a litre, yet mainland Britain pays between £0.80 £1.00 in some areas.

The people on Guernsey also pay tax on fuel. how come our's is so high, for the same grade?

[rollazuki]

When does a car actually become a car?
When its registered?
Many, Many race cars must be sitting on private property without sorn or tax, as they have never been registered(ie formulaV, formula ford etc)
As they presumably wont be dragged away and crushed, is it possible to un register a vehicle from dvla, and as such it ceases to be a 'car', and becomes a 'toy'.

If not possible, then I guess theres a lot of toys(quads, argos, racecars, 4x4's, race bikes, drag bikes) that are at risk.

[Niel]

When does a car actually become a car?
When its registered?
Many, Many race cars must be sitting on private property without sorn or tax, as they have never been registered(ie formulaV, formula ford etc)
As they presumably wont be dragged away and crushed, is it possible to un register a vehicle from dvla, and as such it ceases to be a 'car', and becomes a 'toy'.

If not possible, then I guess theres a lot of toys(quads, argos, racecars, 4x4's, race bikes, drag bikes) that are at risk.

You could well be right, the EU has all sorts of local rules, the Italians I gather cannot own an unregistered vehicle at all, its either fully road legal taxed etc or scrapped....