Timing Belt Repercussions?

[Timbob]

I was hoping for your opinions on a recent problem please. The timing belt on my wifes 300tdi went.Anyway, new rockers and pushrods later, all apparently ok. Vehicle delivered on trailer, was running when I went out to see. Next morning landy was hard to start. Lots of turning over before it fired. After that it ran fine. Easy to start when hot. Next morning, same difficulties. On investigation it remained running when switched off, removing stop solonoid wire has no effect, i.e. did not stop the engine running. It stopper itself after a few minutes. I have got a new solonoid on the way which I assume will fix the problem. It is just the proximity of the timingbelt going that bothers me. It was a good starter previously. Any ideas?
Thanks All

[Range Rover Blues]

Check the glowplugs are working for the starting problem.

Running on with the ignition off, hmmm.  Check that the wire to the solenoif does indeed become dead without the ignition as a simple answer,  otherwise I'd want to know what's been fixed whilst it was away.

[Les Henson]

There's a plunger, spring, and seal inside the fuel cut-off solenoid. If your pump has done a few miles there may be bits of swarf in the hole that the solenoid sits. Sounds to me like a delay in the pluger going back down to shut off the fuel supply.


Les.

[Evilgoat]

Someone mentioed engine oil being drawn into the engine doing this as well. Check the state of your intercooler and hoses. Seen it on cars where there was enough oil in there to run the car. May also indicate an oil leak elsewhere if its got a fair load in.

[Tommo]

sounds to me like the pump timing wants adjusting, thats the only thing that could affect cold starting to do with the cam belt going really.

[Timbob]

Thanks for all the ideas, is the pump timing something that gets affected by a timing belt change? It starts fine when hot. Can I adjust the pump timing myself or is it best left to a more competent professional? My fairly uneducated fiddling and haynes reading fairly well pointed to the stop solonoid. I just hope it is nothing serious. Wish it was light out damnit.

[extreme90]

yes the pump is driven by the timing belt
you can tweak the timing abit without taking everything apart...just as long as it isnt far out
but do the stop solenoid 1st and see how the starting goes
dan

[Timbob]

Ah, I have much to learn about diesels. Thanks. Well ive just been out in the cold and dark and have suitable multimeter readings at both the solonoid and the glow plugs. Just have to pray its the solonoid. Thanks All.

[extreme90]

take all the glow plugs out and put them on a battery, see if they glow or not
and see how long it takes for each one to glow
or for the price of them, just stick a new set in    
dan

[Range Rover Blues]

Someone mentioed engine oil being drawn into the engine doing this as well. Check the state of your intercooler and hoses. Seen it on cars where there was enough oil in there to run the car. May also indicate an oil leak elsewhere if its got a fair load in.

That's a fair point but usually when I've heard of this happening (often a leaking turbo seal) the engine runs away, then explodes.  You'd be a very lucky man if it was this and you caught it in time.

As for the timing, it will have been disturbed but I'd expect the truck to sound different if it was out.

[extreme90]

does it smoke like mad on initial start up ?
itll chuff blue or grey smoke out if the timings wrong
and yes it will blue smoke if the timings out before anyone questions me !
dont ask how ino  :roll:  :roll:   ](*,)

[Timbob]

Thanks all. Today I feel like a lucky boy. New solonoid arrived last night. With headtorch and spanners I now have a working landy. What a relief. That is some coincidence though, I was expecting something rather more serious and expensive.
Wifes new wheels also arrived from fecking bronco 4X4, 3 weeks after she ordered them from the incompetents. So i had a busy but satisfying evening in the dark and mud of my drive.

[lurch_917]

i would take it back to who done the rebuild as he hasnt set the timming up right