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Offline richo

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« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2007, 17:51:36 »
Just been reading all the posts and can say i agree with some and not with others .
Alls i will say is that this guy[as i have read in the paper]was'nt even surposed to be in this country so maybe that is why he ran > as for not understanding English,please .He'd been working here for months.
I for one am sick of the finger pionting we seem to be doing more and more in this country.The police have to put up with people getting on at them about eveything they do,Why don't we as a country start to support our police and armed forces at thet matter instead of pulling they apart when things go wrong.Have we forgot the victims of the london under ground bombings and the lads that have been killed in far away countrys.
Next we will be getting at our first world war veterans for killing some Germans 90 years ago.
Just remember all of us only know what the papers and the media have reported on this case so really we know nothing as the media only prints what sells papers.

Long rant over.
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« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2007, 18:02:39 »
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As an aside, wasn't menendes in this country illegally?


It's not a capital offence (we don't have "Judges" here YET! I AM THE LAW!) .... so being here legally or illegally doesn't carry such a harsh sentence. If it did I suspect the MET would run out of bullets very quickly if it was 7 per perp!

Although just imagine the fun ... blowing up cars for being double parked etc <grin>
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« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2007, 18:11:25 »
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Although just imagine the fun ... blowing up cars for being double parked etc <grin>

You mean you're not supposed to do that?  :?

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« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2007, 18:54:37 »
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Well I don't want to stir things up any more than I already have by posting this in the first place...  but I'm still uncomfortable about the idea of shooting somebody 7 times in the head at close range.  Does that show control...  or does it show a total lack of control in the response?  If you're going to stop a suicide bomber, one shot to the head should be enough surely, maybe 2 or 3 to make sure, but by the time the 7th bullet's gone in, aren't you acting purely on emotion?  I've never had to shoot somebody in the head, so naturally I can't see it from the perspective of somebody who has, but I'm still uncomfortable about it.


There is a case in the States where an offender was shot in excess of 30 times before he finally went down.
I can't go into IED dynamics but all ability to carry out a thought process of detonation has to be stopped.
In relation to 'feeling uncomfortable' with 7 shots being fired, what difference does it make? 1 or 7, the result is the same. If you feel uncomfortable, think about the poor sods who pulled the tiggers.
Again, I'll refer you back to my first response to this post. I did not stop hitting the guy until I was certain he was not going to be able to pull a weapon on me. Did I hit him a couple of times and stop, assess and think "Ok, what the heck, I'll hit him a few more times"? No. I reacted as my training had taught me.
Are we all sitting down 'feeling uncomfortable' about the terrorist who died as a result of his injuries he received after he tried to blow up Glasgow Airport? I for one am not.
The Press had a field day with that and we all lapped it up.
If the guy who was shot had been a bomber, we'd all be saying "Brilliant, well done Old Bill, only 7 shots? I've have put more in him".

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If we were able to use it, would the World be in the screwed up state that it now is? I somehow doubt it.
Maybe I'm coming across as a tad cold and emotionless on this matter, but it is now history. Learn from it as much as we can, as there are far more urgent and pressing things for the Police to be doing, like trying to stop the next attack.
So Thermidor, you carry on feeling uncomfortable, and my colleagues will carry on trying to do a difficult job, made more complicated by a wimpish Government who are more worried about pandering to vote winning causes, than starting to get hard on these murderers who want to rip our country apart.

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« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2007, 21:18:27 »
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As an aside, wasn't menendes in this country illegally?


It's not a capital offence (we don't have "Judges" here YET! I AM THE LAW!) .... so being here legally or illegally doesn't carry such a harsh sentence. If it did I suspect the MET would run out of bullets very quickly if it was 7 per perp!

Although just imagine the fun ... blowing up cars for being double parked etc <grin>


Nope, it isn't a capital offence to be in this country illegally, but if he hadn't been here in the first place he would probably be alive today,  in which ever country he came from.
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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2007, 22:22:17 »
I'm going to take a fairly contentious step here ...

I'm going to lock this thread before it turns into something nasty.  Everyone has had their say, and because so far both arguments have been presented rationally and I have to say very thought provokingly I'm not sure what more can be said that hasn't already been said.

Since most of the moderators and admins are unavailable this weekend (I personally am putting the car back together and doing odds and sods which haven't been done since it was rebuilt) I'm going to take the unusual action and lock this thread before it turns into a bunfight.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong and I'm not trying to abuse my power (what little I have) but there are a lot of reasons why this conversation could go pear shaped (for both those involved and the club at large) so I'm reluctant to let it go on when I can't keep an eye on it.

So, sorry about this guys but there you have it.

If you wish to discuss the matter please feel free to PM me (or anyone else for that matter) and I'll do my best to respond in a timely fashion.
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