Double standards

[Ralph]

I guess its ok on here to support beating someone around the head with a tyre iron as metioned in another thread but it seems it is not ok for someone to suggest voting for a perfectly legitimate political party.
What is going on here everyone complains but no one does anything about it.
The BRITISH people need to stand up and be counted not just sit back and moan.

[datalas]

No, it's not OK to support or advocate beating someone up, and if you look at that other thread then I think you'll find that this was pointed out.

As for stating political opinions, I think that it's generally best to keep your opinions to yourself, you are entitled to have any opinion you want to have but I have yet to see *any* conversation about politics which hasn't descended into an argument.  I can take a vague guess at which party you are referring to, and having grown up in Burnley and met some of their more vocal members I personally don't credit them too highly.  Your experience may vary.

However,  I think you'll find that very few people openly advocate any political party,  indeed I think the only accepted norm at the moment is to complain about the current administration, although I suspect that this would be the case regardless of who was in power.

[Edge]

Yeah, its not worth sharing your political views on here... I had a political web address in my signature (only for x3 days), a fellow mud-club member told everyone else he/she personally wouldn't give me any advice (i was asking for advice) as i had the bnp parties web in my sig :roll:
I removed it immediately.... not for this persons benefit, but because mud-club is an off-roading site and i now realise advertising political parties is the last thing thats needed on here.

We all in some way or another hate politics..... lets all stick together and not argue, just enjoy our hobby (Off-roading. :twisted: )

[BigSi]

Jeremy Clarkson for Prime Minister!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[lambert]

Show me someone who is not a self serving hypocrite at least to some extent and i'll show you a liar. Such is the human condition.

[freelanderpx54]

Show me someone who is not a self serving hypocrite at least to some extent

Clarkson it is then :lol:

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

I suppose it depends on the political party in question and playing Devil's Advocate here, if per chance the party in question happens to be one that holds extreme views, then no, it is not wise to show support.
Who or what is a British person? We are a mix of a great many creeds,races, religons and beliefs and have been since Roman times.
As opposed to taking the jingoistic line and blaming one particular group in society, we should, as a democratic nation, address the Government (who are Civil Servants) and get things changed legitimately.
I know that sounds Utopian, but that is better than chaos.

[BigSi]

Another vote for Clarkson then!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Ralph]

We are a mix of a great many creeds,races, religons and beliefs and have been since Roman times.

And throughout history we have fought against this mix.
Now people just accept it. But it is these same people who complain about Britain not being as British as it was, not being able to get jobs or hospital places, not being able to mention things truly British cos it may cause offence to somone who probably cant speak the English language and understand them anyway.
This country is becoming a disgrace.
Think back would your forefathers have put up with this, would they have fought and died in wars for this. I dont think so. They may well have accepted this mix of people to a certain extent but they would have never allowed them to take the Britishness out of GREAT BRITAIN.
I have my beliefs and i will stand by them, its sad to think that these British beliefs are offending British people.
I will say no more on the subject.

[Edge]

Ralph for prime minister =D>

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

We are a mix of a great many creeds,races, religons and beliefs and have been since Roman times.

And throughout history we have fought against this mix.
Now people just accept it. But it is these same people who complain about Britain not being as British as it was, not being able to get jobs or hospital places, not being able to mention things truly British cos it may cause offence to somone who probably cant speak the English language and understand them anyway.
This country is becoming a disgrace.
Think back would your forefathers have put up with this, would they have fought and died in wars for this. I dont think so. They may well have accepted this mix of people to a certain extent but they would have never allowed them to take the Britishness out of GREAT BRITAIN.
I have my beliefs and i will stand by them, its sad to think that these British beliefs are offending British people.
I will say no more on the subject.

While I fully accept that you are entitled to your views ( as is right in a true democracy) I would ask a few questions.

1) Do you like curry? Country of origin, India and Pakistan.
2) Do you drink lager or ale? Both originate from Germany.
3) Are you a Monarchist? The Windsors had been called Hohenzollern-Saxe-Coburg, before the First World War.
4)British people fighting in World Wars to protect our British way of life.
Yes both my Grandfathers fought in the trenches, one of them leaving a large part of his body there. My father fought as an air gunner in the Second World War.
In Belguim and France there are graveyards full of British, Australian, New Zealand and Canadian troops who fought for the Old Country. There are also graves of Indian troops, Gurkha troops, West Indian troops, Chinese workers, to name but a few who died fighting for this country.
Polish and other Eastern European service men fought in all the battles of Second world war, to defeat a regime that preached that they were better than everybody else.
My son, who by birth and ancestry, is Italian, did 7 years in the British Army, on the frontline in places such as Iraq and Afghanistan.

This country is a mix and always has been. You can't change that, whatever crackpot ideas that Griffin and his bunch of tarted up Nazis say.
I will agree that Immigration needs to be better controlled than it is now, however, I would ask if a farmer can employ Eastern Europeans to gather in his crops because it is cheaper to do so, as they work harder and are prepared to work, is he at fault?
Perhaps if some of the home grown idle, lazy, scroungers got off their arses and did some of these jobs then the immigration wouldn't be so high.
There should be pride in one's Country, but not at the cost of certain sections being victimised.

[hrh_dave]

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[rollazuki]

Ralphy boy, if you want to back BNP then go for it.
Im disgusted that the general public should be scared to back this party, but hey, its better to be politically correct, and watch the country slowly go to the dogs aint it....!
Wo betide me from voicing an opinion.
Mud clubbers should note that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that their own isnt neccesarily the correct one. Dammit if no-one had their own opinions we'd all be driving landrovers, the country would be a sea of EP90, and nothing would arrive on time....

Im ashamed of fellow mud-clubbers to not allow your opinions, and for the fool to ask  'do you enjoy a curry' ..........WHAT?
OK, I like spicy food , so lets extend the national health service to cover the middle east eh....?

Get a grip, see the country for what it is; a large business, needing workers and managers, and having no space for monetary losses!

I dont feel that any, or all of the political parties have the answer, but lets not discriminate on here eh!?!?!

Rolla

[mike142sl]

I have yet to see *any* conversation about politics which hasn't descended into an argument.

And this is no exception by the looks of things.

Mud Club is not a political party or forum - this thread is out of place. I know the weather is bad today but I think it's time all of us got back under our vehicles or off road again.

[datalas]

I have yet to see *any* conversation about politics which hasn't descended into an argument.

And this is no exception by the looks of things.

Mud Club is not a political party or forum - this thread is out of place. I know the weather is bad today but I think it's time all of us got back under our vehicles or off road again.

Quite...

This thread has now been locked for the simple reason this is *not* the place to express political views or try to drive up membership for any politcal party.

This is not political correctness gone mad, nor is it an attack on anyone or any personal belief.  Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish, be that religion or politics however stressing these opinions on anyone else is not going to be tolerated, I'm sorry but whilst you're entitled to your beliefs others are entitled to theirs.

Sorry, but this is not the place,  discuss the matter between yourselves as much as you like, I have neither the power, nor the inclination to stop you.