fuel prices

[meader]

i have started to notice that over the last three or 4 weeks diesel has gone up in price some garages in bristol are now charging £107.9 now thats a 10p jump from the time that gordan brown said the fuel will go up and im getting realy <edit> of with this stupid govermentWHO BLOODY VOTED THEM IN oh yes its the unemployed and are fellow inmates wot we all should have done is stuck together wen all the trucks set up the fuel strickes .as some people seem to think it was about the price NO it wasent it was about the amout of tax on the fuel IF WE STUCK TOGETHER we could have made a differance i personly think that they should do it again and ill be there again sorry rant over now but i do feel much better now thats off my chest

[Evilgoat]

i have started to notice that over the last three or 4 weeks diesel has gone up in price some garages in bristol are now charging £107.9 now thats a 10p jump from the time that gordan brown said the fuel will go up and im getting realy <edit> of with this stupid govermentWHO BLOODY VOTED THEM IN oh yes its the unemployed and are fellow inmates wot we all should have done is stuck together wen all the trucks set up the fuel strickes .as some people seem to think it was about the price NO it wasent it was about the amout of tax on the fuel IF WE STUCK TOGETHER we could have made a differance i personly think that they should do it again and ill be there again sorry rant over now but i do feel much better now thats off my chest

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[Manicminer]

I just paid £1.11 a litre at my local.
The staff said it's going up again tonight :shock:

[Wolfie]

If fuel duty was to be reduced................

What tax will you be happy with them increasing to make up the difference?

Or what public service will you be happy with being reduced?

[And however emotive a subject happens to be, please remember that the club does have rules on the use of language in posts]

[meader]

well if the government stopped waisting money on things like the olympic stadium with they now will cost more than said .we dont need it and for how much we are paying for it how many of us will ever use it so that would be a great saveing of puplic spending they could have saved all that money and put it into the health service but no they are only intrested in lineing there own pockets .

[Hangover]

Soon it will be to expensive to travel to work,may be that's a good enough excuse to get a sick note!

[Evilgoat]

Olympic Statium overrun
NHS reduced to a barely workable shambles run by fat cats
Millions spent on nation ID card scheme, now scrapped
NHS IT system - Again, a farce and millions wasted
Milennium Dome
Gulf war (No 2)

I could go on. You'll also find that people are happy with the fuel tax IF road tax is scrapped.

This government has burned millions on IT projects, consulations, Quangos and self serving projects that have done NOTHING for the public. At the same time its taxed us as much as they dare without causing open revolt and destroyed the countries infrastructure, what have we got as a race to be proud of?

A dental service that means our populatin have worse teeth than some third world countries
A health service that is so target obsessed its killing people
A police service that have to go out and arrest motorists for trivial offences and let the Pedos and rapists go because its just one conviction VS dozens
A rail network that was world beating, now seen as a joke
A road network that is disentegrating
A world class  armed forces, now not even able to keep what resources it does have useable
I cant read my hildren the same stories as I was read
My children have to grow up in a sterile world where every word is watched, noted and analysed. Where law is based on which minority yells the loudest and damn the fact they ARE a minority.



We do have world class surveilance of our Citizens
We have citizens being called terrorists for daring to advertize dissent
We have a governemnt that has stealthily removed all the safeguards to stop this happening.

Am I proud

Hell no, I have a Canadian passport, I'm not a Brit anymore.

Fuel prices is the tip of a very, very big iceberg.

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Says it all really

[Xtremeteam]

Olympic Statium overrun
NHS reduced to a barely workable shambles run by fat cats
Millions spent on nation ID card scheme, now scrapped
NHS IT system - Again, a farce and millions wasted
Milennium Dome
Gulf war (No 2)

I could go on. You'll also find that people are happy with the fuel tax IF road tax is scrapped.

This government has burned millions on IT projects, consulations, Quangos and self serving projects that have done NOTHING for the public. At the same time its taxed us as much as they dare without causing open revolt and destroyed the countries infrastructure, what have we got as a race to be proud of?

A dental service that means our populatin have worse teeth than some third world countries
A health service that is so target obsessed its killing people
A police service that have to go out and arrest motorists for trivial offences and let the Pedos and rapists go because its just one conviction VS dozens
A rail network that was world beating, now seen as a joke
A road network that is disentegrating
A world class  armed forces, now not even able to keep what resources it does have useable
I cant read my hildren the same stories as I was read
My children have to grow up in a sterile world where every word is watched, noted and analysed. Where law is based on which minority yells the loudest and damn the fact they ARE a minority.



We do have world class surveilance of our Citizens
We have citizens being called terrorists for daring to advertize dissent
We have a governemnt that has stealthily removed all the safeguards to stop this happening.

Am I proud

Hell no, I have a Canadian passport, I'm not a Brit anymore.

Fuel prices is the tip of a very, very big iceberg.

sometimes i think your full of wind & <ahem> but youve hit the nail on the head


 :shock:

[L90OOK]

Olympic Statium overrun
NHS reduced to a barely workable shambles run by fat cats
Millions spent on nation ID card scheme, now scrapped
NHS IT system - Again, a farce and millions wasted
Milennium Dome
Gulf war (No 2)

I could go on. You'll also find that people are happy with the fuel tax IF road tax is scrapped.

This government has burned millions on IT projects, consulations, Quangos and self serving projects that have done NOTHING for the public. At the same time its taxed us as much as they dare without causing open revolt and destroyed the countries infrastructure, what have we got as a race to be proud of?

A dental service that means our populatin have worse teeth than some third world countries
A health service that is so target obsessed its killing people
A police service that have to go out and arrest motorists for trivial offences and let the Pedos and rapists go because its just one conviction VS dozens
A rail network that was world beating, now seen as a joke
A road network that is disentegrating
A world class  armed forces, now not even able to keep what resources it does have useable
I cant read my hildren the same stories as I was read
My children have to grow up in a sterile world where every word is watched, noted and analysed. Where law is based on which minority yells the loudest and damn the fact they ARE a minority.



We do have world class surveilance of our Citizens
We have citizens being called terrorists for daring to advertize dissent
We have a governemnt that has stealthily removed all the safeguards to stop this happening.

Am I proud

Hell no, I have a Canadian passport, I'm not a Brit anymore.

Fuel prices is the tip of a very, very big iceberg.

sometimes i think your full of wind & <ahem> but youve hit the nail on the head


 :shock:

Here here  =D>  =D>  =D>  =D>  
How much do you want for your Canadian Passport  :shock:   :roll:  :lol:

[Bob696]

If fuel duty was to be reduced................

What tax will you be happy with them increasing to make up the difference?

Or what public service will you be happy with being reduced?

[And however emotive a subject happens to be, please remember that the club does have rules on the use of language in posts]

They could always stop invading people and blowing them up because the americans asked them to.

I REALLY dont get this argument. The government survived happly 12 months ago with prices at around 90p say tax at 80% = price to government of 72p.
Price now of 110p = 88p. They could slash 16p off a litre and not even notice it. It's a cash cow.

(Please assume that 80% is wrong and adjust figures accordingly for the correct figure)

[lambert]

Basically we are being oppressed and having our freedom of choice eroded by those we nominally elected to act as our servants.
 
Can we pettion the americans for a bit of forcible dictator change and some free and fair elections?

[Boddle]

I REALLY dont get this argument. The government survived happly 12 months ago with prices at around 90p say tax at 80% = price to government of 72p.
Price now of 110p = 88p. They could slash 16p off a litre and not even notice it. It's a cash cow.

(Please assume that 80% is wrong and adjust figures accordingly for the correct figure)

Yep I agree.

 I also can stand people who complain who don't vote (not suggesting any of you didn't), If you didn't please take note you can make a difference especially if you can get all your friends who don't vote to vote too.

 I wonder if it is possible to create on the Government petition site a vote of no confidence maybe by using the above figure lets face it anybody who gets there budget so badly wrong 72p when they actually need 88p a litre on fuel is incompetent to govern in my view.

[V8MoneyPit]

Is it actually all tax increases? Surely some of the increase is because the supplying countries can afford to charge more because China would take all the fuel they can produce anyway? And why is China in that position? Because we, the consumer, keep buying throw away goods that China can produce so well.

By throw away goods, I mean everything from plastic bags to televisions. It will take a major change in consumer attitude before fuel demand from the likes of China drops and the base price of crude oil falls with it.

Of course, the governement is wacking great lumps of tax on it too. I don't deny it. But the recent rises aren't all to do with them.

[kizz81]

its the smoking ban, have to get tax from somewhere to pay for pensions, when fuel got to a pound i went to tescos and bought cooking oil :lol:

[Boddle]

No but the majority of it it is

Unlike Veg oil tax which you pay a fixed figure tax over 2500L pa that you use

If you go over the 2500L pa you pay 25p(or what ever it is now) per litre in Tax no matter how much you have payed for the veg oil

Petrol and Diesel the Tax is a percent about 400% so if the price goes up by 1 pence the price you and see goes up by 5 pence 4 pence additional Tax. I don't mind to much that.
 So looking at it like that take increase over the last few years from 70p to your now 100p a litre only 6p is increase in fuel cost the rest is Tax.

 The Tax is the main problem not the increase in price of fuel, most of us can live with 3% increase at current is nearing 12% over last few solely due to Tax added as a result of the increase in price.

[Thrasher]

Maybe it's me - but as I recall the government actually advertise THEIR tax rises - at the budget.

Any fluctuations other than then - are either DECLARED at budget time, or made by the FUEL companies. What we are currently seeing is surely not a government tax increase?

[L90OOK]

Possibly but if the government put a % on the fuel price & not a fixed price tax then any increase from fuel companies will have the governments % on it too  

[Thrasher]

Well yes ... but they don't do they? They usually declare it as 1p or 2p etc .. on the price. As a percentage that is actually quite small now  :shock:

P.S. I'm just going on what I recall - haven't googled or anything yet!

[Silvery Thing]

I wonder how many people on here realise that the price of a barrel of crude oil is now over $90 :?

Now could it be possible that this fact may have anything to do with the price of fuel at the pumps :roll:

Yes yes I know we are taxed too highly on the price of a litre of fuel but we are subject to market forces here

[Boddle]

Yes I'm aware of that but we generally don't see that at the pump $90 is for a Barrel of Crude oil which is sold not just as petrol and Diesel and the price of plastic and many other things made from crude has not risen by nearly 1/3 in the last 2 or 3 years.
 What we see at the pumps is because the Tax figure on Petrol and Diesel is at around 400% so an increase by the fuel companies is 1/5 (1p increase = 5p to you and I) of what we see at the pumps. taking that into account.

2 Years (or however long ago was it's not that long ago) prices were roughly 70p Litre
now 100p Litre
6p of that is due to increase in price
24p of that is due to increase in TAX
now if the TAX was a given figure E.I 50p a litre we would only seen 6p increase over that time, roughly in line with inflation(2-3%) I don't have problems with that. but I do have a problem with addition of 24p over that period which take your increase in price up to near 15% each year

Now in the case of Veg Oil you if you go over your 2500L Pa Limited you pay 25p(or whatever the figure) a litre that doesn't matter whether there is an increase in the price you pay for the veg oil you still only 25p in tax.

 Gordon Brown has given himself the ability to tax us more. if the price of Petrol and Diesel dropped like a stone tomorrow because some one had found a new field of the stuff I bet they would increase the percentage of tax so we do not see the difference.

 Our Fuel Taxation is the problem not the increases by fuel companies

[Evilgoat]

 Gordon Brown has given himself the ability to tax us more. if the price of Petrol and Diesel dropped like a stone tomorrow because some one had found a new field of the stuff I bet they would increase the percentage of tax so we do not see the difference.

I beleive the crude priced have dropped a couple of times in the past and the fuel price hasnt.

[V8MoneyPit]

..... the price of plastic and many other things made from crude has not risen by nearly 1/3 in the last 2 or 3 years.

But that's because all the consumer goods are coming from a cheap labour country, China..... the very same country that is demanding all the oil to fuel it's huge growth rate. Like I said, China would take all the oil the world has if it could. This means the producers can pretty much charge what they like to the rest of the world.

The cost of oil in plastics, etc. forms a very small percentage of the total cost of the final product. With fuel oils, it forms a much larger percentage of the final cost.

[Biodiesel-Bev]

If fuel duty was to be reduced................

What tax will you be happy with them increasing to make up the difference?

Or what public service will you be happy with being reduced?

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How about if Gordon Brown changed his mind about giving Israel £500 million, which i heard on the radio last week.    :shock:

[Boddle]

..... the price of plastic and many other things made from crude has not risen by nearly 1/3 in the last 2 or 3 years.

But that's because all the consumer goods are coming from a cheap labour country, China..... the very same country that is demanding all the oil to fuel it's huge growth rate. Like I said, China would take all the oil the world has if it could. This means the producers can pretty much charge what they like to the rest of the world.

The cost of oil in plastics, etc. forms a very small percentage of the total cost of the final product. With fuel oils, it forms a much larger percentage of the final cost.

 Not talking about consumer good I talking from a manufacturing point of view (Automotive design Engineer) and Crude is a major source of most of plastics that we use. Other oil like engine oil and hypoid 90 have seen the excesses that Petrol and Diesel have.

 All I'm trying to point out is that there is no point to fighting the oil companies on the price we have now as most of the increase is due to way it is taxed not the price of fuel.

[V8MoneyPit]

Raw plastics have increased hugely in price over the last few years!
Here is just one of many sites demonstrating the increase:
http://www.plastemart.com/intl_graph.asp?cat=hdpe_inj&dispname=Injection&mtl_id=2

As for engine oil, we (work) were paying £2.94 per gallon of 20W/50 in 2004. Now its £4.54. Tax on that has remained at 17.5%, although it falls into a different taxation than petrol of course.

Basically, anything with oil involved has increased enormously. And it isn't all tax. In the case of petrol, if you take this example:
http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html
the tax has gone up by 5p since 2000, but the total price has increased by 19p. Or take it back further... since 1995 tax has increased by 24p, but the total increase is 41p.

So, if you believe those figures, the majority of the increase is not tax.

It is fair to say, however, that we pay a huge percentage of tax on our petrol compared to many other countries.