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« on: November 26, 2007, 13:21:28 »
Just seen a proper cool idea.
 
A hilux rear tub and running gear made into a trailer behind another hilux.

Unfortunately it was gone befor i could take a snap of it. But i want one!
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 14:21:33 »
theres a LWB fronty thats been converted to a trailer too  :wink:
they do look rather good  8)

theres a couple of LR tubs being used as trailers round my way too
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 15:13:20 »
Got an 88 tub with hard top, looks very effective on the back of the 88 :lol:
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 17:45:08 »
i thought about doing that with an old 109 i was given.
i was gonna use the 109 chassis, springs and axle
never got round to it tho
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2007, 20:28:55 »
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i thought about doing that with an old 109 i was given.
i was gonna use the 109 chassis, springs and axle
never got round to it tho


The problem there would probably be setting up an suitable brake-system,as if it's left-unbraked - there'd be naff-all payload allowance if you wanted to stay legal
(maximum weight of 750KG for an unbraked trailer, including the load)
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2007, 22:35:13 »
The maximum towing capacity of an unbraked trailer is also dependant on tyres, which in turn equates to stability.  My Ifor Williams P6 trailer is rated to 750kgs but only because it has "floatation" tyres on it. If it had the bog standard Ifor ones, it would only be rated to 500kgs.  :)

Although if a trailer was a Landy conversion, it would be running on normal road tyres I guess....so this point probably doesn't apply  :?  :)
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 22:42:54 »
All i'd do for brakes is use the push rod on the over run coupling to operate a hydraulic master plumb that to the wheels and it's done. :)
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2007, 22:52:27 »
Just out of curiosity, why would you need it braked anyway? ....as a single axle trailer you're limited to 50mph....which generally rules out the need for spectacular braking exercises...unless the numpty in front decides to anchor up.... :shock:

...and purely from a weight point of view, it would be unwise to attempt a few  manouvers in a Brands Hatch style as the unstability factor comes into play...again..  :cry: ...so generally a hard cornering + heavy breaking combo wouldn't really apply....
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2007, 01:05:24 »
The law requires that any trailer with a MAM over 750kg, or weighing more than 50% of the car's kerbweight has brakes fitted that are rated to cope with the MAM of the trailer.

In addition, if the trailer was built of significantly modyfied after 1986 then the brakes have to conform to the C&U regs, which basically limits you to trailer brakes as they have to be auto-reversable amongst other things.

That siad I've seen a MkI Escort, MkII Cortina, MkIII Cortina, MkIV 'tina (spot the pattern) all towing trailer made from 'donor' cars that were finished with.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2007, 21:52:48 »
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The maximum towing capacity of an unbraked trailer is also dependant on tyres, which in turn equates to stability.  My Ifor Williams P6 trailer is rated to 750kgs but only because it has "floatation" tyres on it. If it had the bog standard Ifor ones, it would only be rated to 500kgs.  :)


I had a P6e, on 'floatations' too (before SWMBO insisted I sell it)




Did it come from Graham up at the Swillington Trailer Centre
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2007, 22:20:34 »
BTM - P16LET says it was bought at Malcolm Websters at Ingleby Greenhow..... Hauls everything from furniture to sheeps, handy little things they are :)
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2007, 19:19:34 »
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Just out of curiosity, why would you need it braked anyway? ....as a single axle trailer you're limited to 50mph....


Can I ask where on earth you got that idea from? I've read umpteen pages of information and I've done my towing test and not come across this at all?

The speed limits for towing are 60mph on Motorways and dual carriage ways

50mph on single carriageway roads regardless of number of axles
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 20:04:21 »
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Can I ask where on earth you got that idea from? I've read umpteen pages of information and I've done my towing test and not come across this at all?


No need to get quite so shirty! :shock:
As it happens, I read it in the highway code quite a few years ago now and was advised by a trailer salesman of the same thing prior to buying my P6e (...not Malcolm Webster at Ifor I hasten to add)...perhaps it was on the basis that I was going to be towing livestock, and caning down the motorway at 60, although legal, is perhaps not that great for what is in the back?!...and similarly, perhaps my confusion about legal towing speed being under the actual limit is better than the ignorance demonstrated by a large proportion of trailer users, who feel compelled to drive at 70+?? :shock: :roll:

I will stand corrected on this point and am grateful being enlightened, but would have appreciated you doing it in something of a more courteous manner.    :(
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2007, 00:33:12 »
I remeber a time when you were limited to 50 unless you had the kerbweight of the car and the MAM of the trailer displayed, then you could stick a 60 sign on the back.
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2007, 00:48:20 »
i havew a copy of the highway code in the disco (freebie from work) which i will check through ... when time and memory merge to satisfy the moment...

as far as i knew, it was 60 on the motroway, and 10mph below on others... although i tthink 30mph is still 30... i could be (an frequently am!) wrong... so dont quote me!

it wasnt long back when i was on the a1 i saw a caravan impersonating a fish... i went for the outer lane, and passed in horror to see it been pulled by an elderly chap in a corsa...... i sped up and kept an eye on him in the rear view mirror- out of my way!

lets look on the tube shall we...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q7K1bBhjkY  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UCZF_UnG10  :shock:  :D
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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2007, 00:53:10 »
30 in a 30
40 in a 40
50 in a natianal speed limit
60 on a motorway (dual carriageway IIRC too).

what happens if the limit is 50 :?
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2007, 10:49:48 »
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Quote from: "ian_s"
i thought about doing that with an old 109 i was given.
i was gonna use the 109 chassis, springs and axle
never got round to it tho


The problem there would probably be setting up an suitable brake-system,as if it's left-unbraked - there'd be naff-all payload allowance if you wanted to stay legal
(maximum weight of 750KG for an unbraked trailer, including the load)

i'd never thought of that!
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2007, 11:07:13 »
A rubbish phone pic of a BMW trailer at services on the A55

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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2007, 11:55:14 »
And it's on the back of a proper off roader too! 8)  :wink:
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