Truckers Fuel Protest

[Terranger]

I know it's a touchy subject.., but don't you think fuel prices are getting out of hand?

I would've loved to join the last protest in my truck, and  thought about it when I stayed Down South, but, was warned off by my boss at Christian Salvesen.

I would love to join in this one with my rangie, but after the reports of how the protesting Haulage Contracters were treated, albeit heresay, I don't want to lose the motor.

Trouble is, there has to be something done about the rising cost of fuel, and I for one am in full support of the fuel protesters.

No matter who is in charge of this country, they always take their lion's share, and it's not as if we know where that cash is syphoned off to.

Sorry folks, for spouting off,  but I love driving my 4x4's, in all weathers, and I don't usually get involved in politics, but this subject is ticking me off big style.

[thermidorthelobster]

Things do seem to be skyrocketing.  I filled up the wife's Rover yesterday and realised, after queuing, that I was at the Premium Diesel pump.  110.9p per litre.  It cost £46 to fill up...  when we first got it a few years back it was just over 30.

It's hitting people pretty hard in the pocket, and surely it's only a matter of time before something flares up and the public join in.  Given the government's not having a particularly good couple of weeks, if I was Gordon Brown I'd be a little worried right now.

[madmatt]

Agreed, it may be a "Touchy" Subject but at the end of the day its going to start putting people out of business! end of

[Range Rover Blues]

It's not just the Gov't greed though this time, not that I'm jumping to their defense in any way (if they hadn't got into power I would still have a decent job and be able to afford petrol)
But the underlying cause is the weakness of the dollar, so people are buying oil instead of dollars now, added to the greater demend in the far east, China and India to be specific.  That demand will only ever grow and until those markets pay the same tax as we do they won't do anything about it.

It's funny to me how the USA are really complaining about the price of fuel now, as they were never taxed the way we are.

Anyhoo, I do remeber hearing that the way Gov't taxes refineries they could actually reduce the tax on fuel at the pumps when the price of crude rises without loosing out.

But with a price rise of what, 15pence a litre in the space of 6 months, it can't go on can it :(

[clbarclay]

Frankly my dear I don't give a.....


Given the way people burn fosil fuels without a second though a financial pich may help to get them thinking about how they use/waste it, though I doubt it :(

Yes I drive a V8, but I'm far more concerned about the rover which guzzles far more fuel given the way its used.

[Llanigraham]

Who are you going to protest about?

The government haven't increased their percentage of tax, so it's not their fault?
The petrol companies who are now paying 99 dollars a barrel as compared to 30 dollars 6 months ago?

Sorry but this would be pointless and will do no good what-so-ever. This is "market forces" and we can do very little about it.

[Biodiesel-Bev]

Actually the government could do something about it if they really wanted to.  50P of very litre is road fuel duty, then there is 17.5% vat - they actually tax you twice for every litre because they charge vat on the 50ppl which is road fuel duty!  Now that is greedy.   :(kerching):

And dont forget that road fuel duty went up 2ppl in October, hey and guess what, it's going up again in April!  What do you think the price per litre for diesel will be by then?  Â£1.15?  Â£1.20?  Â£1.25?  I'd wager that it will easily be £1.25 per litre.    :shock:

However, as I don't use it....

[Thrasher]

If they reduce the tax on fuel then they'll have to get it elsewhere :

Cigs? No
Alcohol? No
INCOME TAX? Oh yes.

Make your choice, get less in your pay packet to buy the cheaper fuel?

Sorry guys ... but this is market forces at work, not the govt, as pointed out elsewhere.

[Biodiesel-Bev]

How about they don't give the £500 million to Israel that Gordon Brown announced the other week.   :-k

How about them conceeding that, as fuel prices are so high, they're going to defer the road fuel duty increase in April?

What are the chances of that happening?  A big fat no i'd say, because the government lie to you claiming that the high road fuel duty is a 'green' tax.  If it's a green tax why do they still tax 'green' fuels such as biodiesel?  Surely if they were REALLY bothered about people reducing their CO2 they would give the public more incentives to use green fuels, or public transport.

It's the same old argument that has been done to death on here and other forums.  The government are theives, and they don't give a toss about your average Joe who'es cost of living, housing, mortgage, transport has gone up, way more than their wages.  For example, the police have just had their pay rise amount announced - 2%!  After tax that will work out about £7.50 per week!  Even your postman got more than that!!    [-X

The country is going to the dogs!   :(bigangry):

Rant over.   :x

[skip]

If I could afford to leave the uk, I would be gone in a cloud of dust.
Trouble is I have to pay so much tax I've got no chance :lol:  Anyone see the irony in that?? :lol:  :lol:

[hrox]

If I could afford to leave the uk, I would be gone in a cloud of dust.
Trouble is I have to pay so much tax I've got no chance :lol:  Anyone see the irony in that?? :lol:  :lol:

Im right there with ya bud.

[att]

It is on for next week.......Fillyer tanks up now.

[Thrasher]

Great, so my life is going to be STUFFED UP by some ignorant oiks that think it will make a difference.

Thanks  :roll:

I thought this was a DEMOCRACY. Surely we should be consulted if it is us, the great unwashed, that actually want to make a stand.

[Jas278]

I thought this was a DEMOCRACY. .

That there choice todo it then. Frankly Im sick to death of this shower riding ruff shot over us all, Oh by the way IMO Maggie broke the togetherness of us Brits ....Dont shoot me its my opinion in a Democracy..

[Sheddy]

This is a democratic dictatorship.  Every four years or so we get the chance to choose who will be our dictator for the next four years.

the trouble is, we didn't vote for our current dictator ........

[DiscoveRay]

Interesting you believe you live in a democracy Neil.

We are dictated to by corrupt, career politicians, all academics with no 'real world' experience (what we used to call 'educated idiots' in the Army).

Answer one question for me:

Do you honestly believe that the actions of this, or the previous government reflect the views and wishes of the British electorate?

Ray

P.S. I'm not in favour of the fuel protest either and as for the ballot box, what's the point, same sleaze and cronyism, just a different name. Military Coup?

[shaun and co]

Military Coup?  

now that gets my vote. its either that or a revolution :twisted:  :twisted:
everybody ready????????????

[bronco]

 Surely if they were REALLY bothered about people reducing their CO2 they would give the public more incentives to use green fuels, or public transport.

They're not.......It's all a con-2nd largest global carbon contributor is deforestation(mainly rainforest) then burning felled timber to make land available for farm use.
Double whammy-fires create the carbon and there are no trees left to absorb it.

Largest global contributor is energy production-some of which is used to make windturbines which can never offset the carbon produced in construction/transportation etc.......

Throw in coal seams in China which are burning underground producing 000's tonnes of carbon per annum.The Chinese were celebrating putting one out recently which had been burning for 50 yrs,however, there are hundreds left to extinguish some of which have been burning for 2 centuries.
Etc,etc, etc.............. it goes on and on.I feel no guilt about my carbon footprint I suggest do your  research and have the weight lifted :oops:

[bilge rat]

It is on for next week.......Fillyer tanks up now.

so is this fact ?. was wondering how long they could push people before it happened. how much was it last time they had blockades ?. itsd gone up loads since then and most people have just had to let it happen ?. where will it end , or will it ever end . will it be better when labour are out ?. who knows.. alan......

[Sider]

Military Coup?  

now that gets my vote. its either that or a revolution :twisted:  :twisted:
everybody ready????????????

If you came from, for example, Spain, you wouldn't even dare joke about it. I was only 7 years old when our last coup took place (the infamous 23-F), but I remember quite distinctly my father and grandfather going to the local police station to surrender all their weapons: no matter the outcome, they didn't want any kind of involvement on it. I also remember the fear in most people. Having just come out from a military dictatorship, no one wanted the possibility of going back to the same conditions.

I have no simpathy whatsoever for the current government, but at least it can be chosen. Having a government you don't like, and not being able to speak against it, well, let's say I would spend a lot of time running from the police.

[Evilgoat]

It is on for next week.......Fillyer tanks up now.

so is this fact ?. was wondering how long they could push people before it happened. how much was it last time they had blockades ?. itsd gone up loads since then and most people have just had to let it happen ?. where will it end , or will it ever end . will it be better when labour are out ?. who knows.. alan......

*sigh*

Something will happen next week, there will be no blockades yet, if at all.

This is the scare mongering that caused trouble last time, the media are quite good enough at it in their own.

Nothing has been announced yet and PLEASE stop saying 'The Truckers' because its not just the truckers, especially not this time.

[Yoshi]

Well according to the transaction 2007 there will be a legal protest next week, with the backing of the road haulage assocation which would mean the backing of the truckers.

[madgaz]

I personally doubt there will be a blockade. And if there is what will it achieve? [!Expletive Deleted!] all if you ask me.
I'm getting shafted. I have a jap import car which really needs to be run on Optimax and octane booster. (It is mapped to run on 105RON fuel) This means on average now 107 ppl + booster and it only runs 20mpg currently (it is more on a good run  around 24mpg :lol:  :twisted: )
I'm sure a lot of the 4x4's out there really don't achieve much more than that either (and Diesel is about 105ppl aint it?)
So when I go to fuel up I know I'm gonna be bent over a barrel (a barrel that costs 99 dollars :lol: ) I ignore the prices, fill the tank, jump back in the car and rant then get on my way

My vote goes in the box. I, when I have the money which may be years and years away, will vote with my feet and move out of this naff country

It's not even 9am and you all have me ranting :lol:
Rant over...

[JumboBeef]

It's funny how so many talk about leaving this country.  Oil prices have gone up worldwide, not just here.

[madgaz]

It's funny how so many talk about leaving this country.  Oil prices have gone up worldwide, not just here.

It's not just about the oil prices for me.
It's the lack of respect that is seen on the streets. The stealth tax for just about everything (rubbish collections etc)
The ensuing over population of the country.
Oil prices/taxes are just a tiny gripe of mine :twisted:

[JumboBeef]

Yes, but where would you go?

Every country in the world has taxes etc.  I have friend in both USA and Oz who think their governments are over taxing them...........

[redhand]

Yes, but where would you go?

Every country in the world has taxes etc.  I have friend in both USA and Oz who think their governments are over taxing them...........

I don't know about taxes but at 45p per ltr The price of their fuel must be crippling em.

[Evilgoat]

Yes, but where would you go?

Every country in the world has taxes etc.  I have friend in both USA and Oz who think their governments are over taxing them...........

You need to actually live in these places befor you can make statements about them. North America depends very, very much on where you are.

Canada for example you are hit twice on perchases, GST (Goods & Sales Tax) and PST (Provincial Sales Tax). Now pretty much everywhere this comes to about the same as VAT but two or thre provinces dont have PST. Albrta doesnt making the tax on most items 7%. Then theres the $250 tax rebate a few years ago because the province made more than expected that year.

I think the biggest single issue here is down to the way we are treated.

[Bob696]

Then theres the $250 tax rebate a few years ago because the province made more than expected that year.

can you imagine HMG saying "gee guys we made too much money last year ..heres some of it back". they are more likely to set up a quango to monitor the amount of calcium in breast milk.