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Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« on: January 12, 2008, 12:59:08 »
hiya

been to look at the 90 this morning... Sorry i could not fix it for you on the spot... :(

The glow plug for the cylinder nearest the bulkhead has fallen apart. The middle has come out of the bit that screws into the block... When it was started, the glow plug earth'd out on the block causing a MASSIVE short...

The cable from the plug, though the bulkhead and up to the ignition has melted.. And i mean melted.. There is no plastic on it at all behind the dash, just coper strands.

Question is, what route does this cable take?

On the back of the ignition switch, there is 2 large cables, brown and red. These have both got very hot and are the ones with no plastic on. They are inside a mini loom that runs with all the other cables for the ignition switch, (which have also started to melt). This dissaperas behind the dash somewhere.

There must be a fuse, and a relay for the glow plugs somewhere - which are going to need replacing. Any idea where they can be found?

It will be a matter of stripping it all down, and replacing the whole loom, along with any other cables that have been close to hot wires and started to melt.

Is there a wiring diagram online somewhere?

I think its a 2.5 Turbo Diesel - the one before the 200tdi.

« Last Edit: January 12, 2008, 13:01:39 by Mark_Solesbury »
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2008, 00:14:14 »
Wiring diag on the way

Hope it is useful
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2008, 19:20:45 »
there is no fuse or relay for the glow plug circuit in a landy of its age
its a direct feed from the switch straight down

its going to require a full strip down of the dash to sort out

the brown/red ( glowplug wire) is joined around 10 inches into the dash where the warning lamp wire t's into it

the PITA is the thick brown wire on its own as that is the main feed for the ignition, and it has several other wires joining onto it in the dash aswel

fortunately......my bulkhead is completely stripped and the loom is out, so if you need pictures then i can get some up for you

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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2008, 20:57:55 »
Does that mean that the glow plugs are on all the time then?
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2008, 21:01:02 »
they are on their own position on the  ignition switch on a td , not a timer
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2008, 21:03:39 »
Ahh i get ya.
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 12:00:07 »
Many thanks for finding out more Mark, I really appreciate it and owe you one.

Had a car electrician guy come out yesterday to have a look and he has quoted me ouch  :-. £300 to £400 to repair it, so if anyone fancies some time on a Landy beer supplied and good food, who knows what there doing I'd appreciate it more than you'll ever no.

 :doh:

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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 12:11:02 »
mmmm beer supplied, i dont know much about electronics on landy except mine always seem to smoke :lol:
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2008, 13:24:13 »
http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/SERIES/Engine/Dieselglow_heater_plugs_with_wires.(set_of_4).html


would these be the correct heat/ glow plugs? as it don't give you much info.

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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2008, 14:17:19 »
GAM100 looks like the kit you need.

http://www.lrdirect.com/customer/product.php?productid=128223

this site gives you a nice picture :)
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2008, 14:23:32 »
 :angel: Cheers Mark  :D

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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2008, 12:08:00 »
Quote from: Fireyred on January 15, 2008, 12:00:07


So if anyone fancies some time on a Landy BEER supplied and GOOD FOOD, who knows what there doing I'd appreciate it more than you'll ever no.

 :doh:

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Anyone..........Please..........Calling all Landy buddies and enthusiasts, not meaning to sound desperate....but  8-[
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 12:45:27 »
sorry you are not close to me would do it for it no probs but other prob is that i ve just had my fingers rebuilt after putting my hand in an electric fan :doh:
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 15:29:41 »
 :shocked:Ouch
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 16:00:22 »
i did not say that when i did it  :D
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2008, 22:10:45 »
if i was closer, and didnt have my 90 in bits and been behind on a deadline, id help you out  :'(
isnt that much of a job really
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2008, 15:56:07 »
where in Northants are you - there is a good land rover specialist in Towcester
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2008, 19:54:38 »
Im just outside Gloucester till Friday night. Could spend all of Saturday in Northants if you wanted and drive back th Saturday evening to Reading.

Give me a bell on 0772 508 5775 mate.
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Re: Emergency, please help, smoke inside car, none starter.. - Diagnosis
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2008, 14:35:01 »
Sorry i missed the last two posted, only just managed to get on my PC.

Thanks for all you advice and support.

Had a guy from Corby Quote me a good price, just gotta get there, now sometime this week.

Cheers all.

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