Topic: 200TDI or V8EFI (Read 6150 times)

discorich · « **on:** February 03, 2008, 16:20:07 »

i have 200tdi disco 5 door that i am planing on pickuping soon and having had a few problems with my 200 (ie head gasket and timing belt) it is running like a bag of ****. i am trying to work out weather to rebuild the 200tdi or fit a V8 EFI with auto that i might be able to get cheep. i am planning on doing laneing and RTV's but maybe getting a bit more involved in some challenging stuff.

Let me know your input.

CNorman · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2008, 17:18:23 »

Presumably you intend to go off road with it. Mud, angles, slopes and WATER WITH A V8! You sick man. Diesel all day! As every V8 owner will tell you, they sound great! Excellent, that will help you off road...

discorich · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2008, 17:28:10 »

yeah nice, i know that they dislike water in standard but i have seen some wading rather deep about the same as my 200tdi. yeah it is to be used offroad. hopefully getting more extreme as time goes by.

james walder · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2008, 17:43:07 »

diesel every time :lol:

Ja1983 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2008, 18:07:21 »

petrol Vs diesel ....again! :lol:

if you have the free time and money, go for the V8, if like me you prefer to spend time in it rather than under it after you`ve been playing.... rebuild the Tdi.

if you go down the route of rebuilding the Tdi, you will also have an engine you know, rather than picking up a cheap v8 that you dont.

IMO a derv is easier to work on, if it isnt running, its most likely because fuel isnt getting through.

A V8 is fantastic in the noise department granted, but i recon a tdi with a less restricted exhaust and higher boost will sound equally as menacing!

to sum it my choice would be rebuild the tdi.

discorich · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2008, 18:56:18 »

that is the way i was thinking, just the hooligan in me was thinking of the nice engine note of a V8.
yeah me thinks 200Tdi, and i never know it might keep running for a bit. i do like the 200 as it likes the water like me.
cheers all for input.

ben_haynes · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2008, 19:22:45 »

as long as the V8 is warterproofed properly you wont have any problems with it, apart from it sounds great a V8i wont give that much of a different MPG to a Boosted 200TDi and you dont get the problem of the cambelt Snapping.

mine is not waterproofed at all and i took it through the lake at my local off road site, big puddles at the same site and through the local ford with realy deep water and only got a few splutters in the lakes and puddles

Guardian. · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2008, 20:18:14 »

here we go again
v8 only choice
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8

ben_haynes · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2008, 20:36:19 »

Quote from: Guardian. on February 03, 2008, 20:18:14

here we go again
v8 only choice
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8

its more like V 8)

V 8)
V 8)
V 8)
V 8)

:D

L90OOK · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2008, 20:41:53 »

Quote from: Guardian. on February 03, 2008, 20:18:14

here we go again
v8 only choice
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8

& you have had no probs with your V8 :roll:
Sorry bit below the belt :oops:

ben_haynes · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2008, 20:49:33 »

It is a landy you are expected to have problems, i call it manufacture spec :lol:

i had as many problems with my 200TDi as i have with my V8's and i blew the TDi up and it wasnt able to be rebuilt :oops: but the V8 is so easy to rebuild

Guardian. · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2008, 21:28:25 »

ive had nothing but megga problems with 1 of my v8's, but thats due to it being built by a [ed: naughty], ive had a good dozen v8's over the last 10 years and except this one in the 110, only 1 gave me a problem and that was the airflow meter packed up.
so , its
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8 everytime. :lol:

ben_haynes · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2008, 21:57:47 »

Dont get me wrong i love Dervs as they save me money but as a play to i want "Loud and Proud" :twisted: so it has to be V8 all the way :lol:

Guardian. · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2008, 22:00:17 »

good man
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8

Gav_T · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2008, 22:03:31 »

I run a 3.9 v8. The noise it makes (straight through with a side exit) makes the 10mpg worth it everytime! Also a friends tuned 200 tdi (boost,fueling and head work) drinks nearly as much as mine! They dont like water though but this can be fixed.

Gavin.

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2008, 16:58:15 »

Sorry, what's this cack about TDis being easier to work on than a V8 :shock:

Hogwash.

A pair of head gaskets on a V8, Â£40, couple of afternoon's work and a light skim in between.

TDi head, small fortune, local engineering shop wouldn't touch it, more than a week off the road.

V8 hits water, miss fires, v7 leaves water.
TDi hits water, owner discovers physics and that water can't be compressed to 1/18th of it's original volume, engine breaks big style

Both owners spend the next 6 months listening to wheel bearings that are failing due to water ingress whilst sitting in stinky seats.

There's more to life than drowning your stereo :doh:

Either V8 or TDi are very good, very capable motors. A V8 Auto is going to be a nice thing to drive off-road, it's the way I'm going (if we get a summer this year :roll:).

Not that it's really what you're interested in, but go any distamce and I'd much rather be in a V8, you can hear the stereo, you don't get vibration white-finger and it'll still accelerate at motorway speeds.

discorich · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2008, 17:51:13 »

yeah, distance on the isle of man not a prob as it is only 33 miles long hahaha. but i do intend on joining J33P at seven sisters soon.
what difference for off road ability between V8 carbs and EFI. i can get a EFI cheep (ie free) but i have always been wary of electrics with water, what with having a 200tdi, pahh what eletrics you almost have to wind up the sterio there are that few. are they easy to waterproof?

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2008, 17:55:53 »

TBH I'd go for the Hot-Wire EFi. Most of the extra power is due to the exhaust manifolds and the head/cam work really but the later hot-wire is pretty reliable and there's much less mechanical stuff to go wrong under the bonnet. I don't know how carbs like getting muddy TBH but I wouldn't bother with Stoms so unless you can get SUs then go EFi, just place the ECU higher up.

discorich · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2008, 18:03:13 »

the engine in question is out of a rangy, how would i know if it is a hot-wire EFi or a normal one. if this is a stupid question sorry but i know very little about the V8 side of land rovers, but i think i will be finding out more soon by the outcome of this post.

CNorman · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2008, 21:43:24 »

Quote from: Guardian. on February 03, 2008, 21:28:25

ive had nothing but megga problems with 1 of my v8's, but thats due to it being built by a [ed: naughty], ive had a good dozen v8's over the last 10 years and except this one in the 110, only 1 gave me a problem and that was the airflow meter packed up.
so , its
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8 everytime. :lol:

Apart from the noise, why?

Guardian. · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2008, 22:07:45 »

mainly the noise, but also its quite (ish) in the cabin unlike a derv thats noisy, plus much smoother to drive, and worst of all derv stinks and makes your hands stink at the pump.
yes they cost twice as much to run, but you cannot have everything!
of course its personal preferance but.
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8 :lol:

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #21 on:** February 05, 2008, 04:20:25 »

My V8 LPG (3.9 in Blue) costs about as much to run as the 300TDi, it's quieter, cheaper to fix if anything and, well, different to drive. I guess a bit more relaxing because the engine is more flexible, though the TDi is well-geared. Not an easy choice and we all have our preferences, but I side with the V8.

Now, the EFi engine had IIRC slightly different rocker covers for a start, the smoother rounder ones with very small flutes along the entire length are either early RRC or SD1.

the later EFi engine, different rocker cover because of the different breathers etc, the inlet holes in the head have little cut-outs for the injector, the exhaust manifold has 2 outlets to the downpipes rather than one (the 3.9 ones with bigger downpipes are worth fitting whatever) and obvioulsy if you have the engine number you can tell what the engine was built to.

As for the EFi, well alomst certainly the plenum will have the engine size cast into it when new, 3.9 or 4.2 being the most common, the plenum is slightly bigger than the flapper system fitted to the EFi.

The hot-wire uses 12 volt injectors, so there is no resistor pack on the bracket for the air box. the airbox clamps direclty to the hot-wire MAF whereas the flapper type is connected with a short rubber tube (and it's a VAF not a MAF).

There is no 5th injector but there is a idle-bypass stepper motor with a 4-pin plug on the very back of the plenum.

Hmm, what else? the ECU is usually black and square, it will have a year marked on it too which is a help.

There are other differences but these are the ones I remeber and are easy (ish) to look out for ;)

discorich · « **Reply #22 on:** February 05, 2008, 19:13:16 »

cool cheers range rover blues, i will have a look at that next time i can and see if i can work out which engine. started up the 200 after been sat for 2 weeks whilst i was doing some work on the axle, and it fired on the first turn without the plugs. i was well impressed. i think i might store the V8 incase i get bored of the 200 or if it breaks again.

Cheers all with your help, it seems that this is a long running debate, and let it continue.

Guardian. · « **Reply #23 on:** February 05, 2008, 19:17:16 »

its not a long running debate, they just will not admitt that its V8 all the way :lol:

TDi90 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 05, 2008, 19:24:57 »

Quote from: Guardian. on February 03, 2008, 20:18:14

here we go again
v8 only choice
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8
v8

nah spence is wrong,

Tdi
Tdi
Tdi
Tdi
Tdi
Tdi

hence my username TDi!!!!

Guardian. · « **Reply #25 on:** February 05, 2008, 19:30:50 »

what did i say, he just will not accept it.

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2008, 19:36:57 »

Rich, if you're going to store the V8 then drop some clean oil into each cylinder then replace the plugs. Take the rocker covers off, remove the rocker shafts then refit the covers. This way each cylinder is sealed and less likely to rust inside.

The tape over all the extrenal hole that you can get to .

TDi90 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 05, 2008, 19:37:33 »

lol :D
ok ok its a matter of opinion but your opinion is .... well.... not of my opinion shall we say (to keep the mods happy :-$ )
but i will say on final word(s)
Tdi
Tdi
Tdi
Tdi
Tdi
Tdi

Guardian. · « **Reply #28 on:** February 05, 2008, 19:41:55 »

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

CNorman · « **Reply #29 on:** February 06, 2008, 20:49:39 »

I would go for which ever one you think yopu will enjoy the most.

All i will say though, and this is only from my off roading and only my OPINION.

I have mates with auto's and manual boxes, both great. Rangie, disco, defender and series, great. However, despite various plastic socks and other devices to ensure their v8 performs under water it doesnt. Not very well anyway and certainly not as well as my disco which had no wading mods.

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