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300TDI head skimming????
« on: March 21, 2008, 15:36:05 »
quick question...

what is the maximum thickness that can be taken off the 300TDI cylinder head before the valves start to hit the piston?????


im just asking this as ive checked the vavle to head gap and its lower than the standard size, so i know that my head has already been skimmed, so i dont want to put too thin of a head gasket on so the piston hits the valves
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Re: 300TDI head skimming????
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2008, 17:04:42 »
What size gasket was fitted? That will give you some clue as to whether or not the head has been skimmed before.

If a two hole, skim and put a three hole one in.
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Re: 300TDI head skimming????
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2008, 18:12:47 »
 ALL cylinder heads come with a minimum thickness, although if you skim a badly warped head you may run into trouble due to the fact that when you bolt it down the top of the head where the rockers sit may/will distort causing other issues such as snapped rocker shafts ect,

 Any how if it was a light skim, the valve heights/head face should be checked and possilby adjusted to correct them, also the top of the valve stems may be "tipped" again to correct there height,
  If all the above are correct then all should be ok, TBH the engine shop should have advised/checked this for you ?
     

   Good luck n hope this helps
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Re: 300TDI head skimming????
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2008, 04:00:16 »
The thickness of the head gakst has NOTHING to do with how much you have skimmed, save perhaps for what Burgerman mentions, the valves being closer to the piston at TDC.

Anyone rebuilding the head should check the valve clearences anyway, so that should be taken care of (they will all be too tight if the head is skimmed).

I have a LR original publication manual that states the 300 TDi head must NOT be skimmed but renewed, though many do it with no problems.

The deciding factor in head gasket thicknes if what's called piston projection, (HairyAssWelder found the page somewhere), to obtain the correct compression ratio it's important that the piston almost touch the head, save for a coat of soot, so you measure the height the pistons stick out fo the top of the block at TDC and pick a gasket that leaves them the correct distance below the head/gasket surface.  Obviously you have to compramise if the readings vary.

Stick too thick a gasket on and you get low compression, with all the problems that entails.  I've heard stories about LR technicians being told to just stick the 3 hole gasket on "to be safe", well that's just lazy.  The procedure to do it right is written down somewhere so these "technicians" can do the job properly.

However, if you do not disturb the bottom end at all then you can just stick the same gasket on as was already there, but be careful, there are some gaskets knocking about with the wrong number of holes in them due to a "tooling error" (more likley an erro on the part of the tool making them :evil:) and if some lazy are in a LR dealership has been there first, you will only replicate their mistake.


To answer the original question, obvioulsy the minimum possible but as LR do not advie skimming the head they provide no technical data to do so.

If the skim is substantial then you could re-cut the valve seats to move the valve heads back up away from the piston, but I took up to 1mm off ours with no problems.  I say up to as the head was bowed, concave, so more came of the ends.
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Re: 300TDI head skimming????
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2008, 15:49:50 »
 1mm  :shock:  That"s a huge one,   guess it worked ok though  :D
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Re: 300TDI head skimming????
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2008, 03:15:33 »
Errrr, well the thing is stuck in the bodyshop so i don't know.  It worked when I bolted it back together but I've had massive probelms with bioderv blocking the fuel filter then some poor t** ran into it so by the time the bodyshop was ready for it I had an anoying tick/blow on the exhaust.  I'be hopping it's the manifold having stopped a Rover 400 with it, but it could be the head.

Thing is the head warped when it overheated, so it was the minimum skim to get it flat.  It did run nicely but my sister's went the week after and because it had a glow plug snapped in the head plus an injector wouldn't come out I put a new head/glowplugs/injectors on it and that runs sweeeeeet :D

So I think it wetn ok, but I'l reserve judgement 'till I get it back on the road.
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