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qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« on: March 22, 2008, 14:49:18 »
Come on those ferraris... looking QUICK this weekend  :clap: :dance:
so are the bmw's...
hamilton just cant get to control his mclaren this weekend... what is going on?!
bit of a dilemma for the mclarens... do they stay out qualifying wrecking their tyres, or do they up it and call it quits, and save the tread for the race? :?
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2008, 14:54:40 »
YEEEEEES FERARRI 1&2   :P  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :dance: :dance: :dance:
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2008, 15:06:35 »
Sounds to me like a good thing i didn't post the results at 9am this morning  ;)
The Ferrari's do look strong although they did suffer on the Friday session with another engine problem
Reliability seems to be their down fall so far
As for Lewis, dont write him off just yet  ;)
4th on the grid is still a good postition, lets see how polite the Ferrari's are into the first corner (it could get messy)
Bring on the race (live)
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2008, 15:49:04 »
I agree 4th is not bad also his team mate is third .

If lewis has good fuel on board I.d say his team mate will come in first to refuel then try and slow the field down allowing lewis to come out in front of him both ferraris will blow up and lewis will win :lol:

Well thats what I saw in my cristal ball :twisted:
so many hills , so little time ....
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2008, 15:59:23 »
what time does the live race START tomorrow?
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2008, 16:06:07 »
sorry cristal ball has a radio but no clock :lol: :lol:
so many hills , so little time ....
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2008, 16:09:50 »
Programme starts at 06.15  :shock:  I shall be there though ( there= in front of tv of course  :lol: )
  But possible road trip to spa, and pricing up trip to singapore for the night race  :dance:
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2008, 17:51:29 »
I tend to Sky + the live early race's
I then awaken at a sensible hour, make some tea, cook some breakfast then sit down, food on lap and begin my race experience
Perfect
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2008, 19:21:42 »
 I doubt Hamilton will get a look at the Ferraris, let alone at the first corner. P 9 on the grid isn't exactly condusive to a flying start.
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2008, 19:24:42 »
I tend to Sky + the live early race's
I then awaken at a sensible hour, make some tea, cook some breakfast then sit down, food on lap and begin my race experience
Perfect
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eww :-> the thought of jake in his pj,s stuffing his face with toast while watching F1
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2008, 20:06:28 »
How is it that every decision by the FIA seems to favour Ferrari?

Had it been red cars where the McLarens were it would have been a genuine misunderstanding and not penalised.

Lewis is a racer; watch him come through the pack!
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2008, 20:10:09 »
P9 ??   Have i missed something today  :-k
TD5 with a few Tweaks ;o)
a bit more fuel friendly than the V8

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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2008, 20:24:54 »
P9 ??   Have i missed something today  :-k

yup he got penalised at the end for driving too slowly   [-X in the racing line  [-X while heidfeld was going for another fast lap. v dangerous...  [-X
good decision IMO.
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2008, 21:30:40 »
Quote from: grandprix.com
Heikki Kovalainen and Lewis Hamilton will start the Malaysian Grand Prix from eighth and ninth on the grid, rather than third and fourth, following a decision by the FIA Stewards to penalise the two McLarens for impeding the progress of Nick Heidfeld's BMW Sauber. The two were given five place drops on the grid. Heidfeld reckoned that he lost a couple of tenths because he came across the two McLaren drivers heading slowly round the track, saving fuel, after they had finished their fast laps. He had to thread the needle between them, but he seemed to do so without any obvious delay.

The ruling means that Jarno Trulli moves up to third on the grid in his Toyota with Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld fourth and fifth, Mark Webber sixth and Fernando Alonso seventh. The biggest advantage, however, probably goes to Ferrari as Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen will now be chased by a number of slower cars, rather than the McLarens. It will be interesting to see how the race develops, but the signs are that the Woking cars probably have more fuel on board than do the Ferraris, so the effect of the penalty will be lessened, unless the McLarens get stuck behind slower cars.

There are many arguments about whether the impeding rule is a sensible one, as the punishments rarely fits the crime. There are very few occasions when there is any suggestion of deliberate baulking - it makes no sense to do such things when stewards dole out such penalties.
Nevermind  :roll:
I'm now more excited about seeing Lewis and Heikki coming through the pack
Now that should be some good racing with overtaking  ;)
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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2008, 21:47:39 »
This makes interesting reading
Quote from: GrandPrix.com
Ferrari grabbed pole position for the Malaysian Grand Prix with Felipe Massa well clear of his team-mate Kimi Raikkonen. The fact that neither man made any obvious mistake suggests that the Brazilian may have a lighter fuel load than the Finn, as in the Q2 session Kimi was three-tenths ahead of Massa. A few minutes later he was half a second behind and the only logical explanation of that was fuel.

It looked as though there were similar things happening at McLaren with Heikki Kovalainen faster than Lewis Hamilton. The two men were within a tenth of one another throughout but in the Q3 session Heikki was ahead. Was he there to cover Massa and leave Lewis to fight the championship battle with Kimi Raikkonen?

More importantly, however, were the Ferraris lighter than the McLarens?

McLaren's Ron Dennis made the point that the team expected a stronger Ferrari, after the rout in Melbourne.

"We are comfortable with our race strategy," he said.

These things are hard to predict, but one thing that seemed a little strange after the qualifying was that neither Felipe Massa nor Kimi Raikkonen seemed particularly thrilled at the result. Normally, Felipe would be dancing about, particularly after the disappointments of Melbourne. Instead the pair seemed almost glum.

"Our championship is starting now," Massa remarked. "What happened in the last race was incredible. Now we can manage to put everything together to have a very consistent, good and quick championship."

Having said that Kovalainen was also talking down the McLaren challenge.

"We were hoping to do a couple of places better," he said, "but Ferrari have been very fast all weekend. We had nothing more to give. Third place was the best we could achieve today. We didn't see the true pace of Ferrari in Melbourne. This is more representative a read between the pace of the teams."

It was interesting also to see both Raikkonen and Hamilton working very hard to try to warm their tyres before their final runs.

Neither seemed happy.

"There did not seem to be as much grip in the tyres during the final session," Lewis said. "I struggled a bit. It was tough finding a gap in the traffic, which had an effect on my ability to warm up the brakes and manage the tyres. To be honest I didn't do a perfect job today and I will study the data to see how I can go faster tomorrow. We have to stay positive."

The remarks were mirrored by Kimi.

"I was not able to get the tyres to work as well as possible," he said. "The track seemed to be a bit more slippery and I was not able to get everything out of the car."

What was clear was that the two teams are still well ahead of everyone else, and the suspicion on Saturday night was that Ferrari had a slight advantage, at least over one lap.

It was quite a surprise to see the Toyota of Jarno Trulli in fifth place, but then the cars had been good in qualifying in Melbourne, even though neither Trulli nor Timo Glock made it to the finish. Trulli is always a great qualifier but it seems that the team is finally making progress.

"It is a big improvement compared to last year's car," said Trulli.

Timo Glock was also doing well, making it into the top 10 in Q2 but he struggled in the final session, unable to get heat into his tyres.

The BMW Saubers were not as quick as they seemed to be in Australia but they were still in a good position with Robert Kubica sixth and team-mate Nick Heidfeld seventh. The two men wereless than a tenth off Hamilton's pace and so the final result did not look good, but the laps times were much more impressive than they seemed. Heidfeld had to work his way through the traffic on his fianl lap and the FIA stewards were soon looking into that, but the impeding rules these days are looking more and more absurd.

Mark Webber was eighth quickest in his Red Bull but the team was not having a good weekend after Coulthard's incident on Friday, after which the FIA began to ask questions about the cars. On Saturday morning the FIA reported that they would continue to keep watch.

David Coulthard was 12th on the grid, but said that he was not concerned by the questions being raised about the RB4.

"As a racing driver you never think you're going to have a car failure," he said. You don't think about it and I have complete faith in the team."

The failure of Coulthard's track road on Friday was traced to a manufacturing problem.

Renault was ninth and 13th with Fernando Alonso ahead, as one would expect. The cars were still a long way from the pace, but at least Fernando was in the Q3 session. For Piquet the performance was a step forward after a miserable Melbourne, a good sign as he is clearly not allowing himself to lose heart.

Honda was struggling a little more than in Melbourne but both Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello did a decent job with Button 11th and Barrichello 14th. If Jenson had lapped a tenth quicker he would have been in Q3. Barrichello missed out on running in the morning because of worries over his gearbox which meant that Button did his set-up work for him and Rubens had to drive the car that was presented to him for qualifying.

Scuderia Toro Rosso did not look as good as it had done in Melbourne with Sebastian Vettel qualifying 15th and Sebastien Bourdais back in 19th.

"I think we did pretty much the best we could," Vettel said. "But I made a mistake."

Bourdais was having another difficult weekend, although good fortune in Melbourne made him look quite good.

"The stars do not seem to be aligning in our favour," he said.

There were troubles too at Williams with Nico Rosberg reporting that the grip was not what he had expected and that meant that heating up the tyres was a problem. That was reflected in qualifying where he ended up 16th. Kazuki Nakajima's hopes were already in trouble because of the 10-place grid penalty he brought with him from Australia. He qualified 18th but would start 22nd and last.

The Force India and Super Aguri teams failed to get out of Q1 but that was not really a surprise. Giancarlo Fisichella came closest, while Adrian Sutil was nearly a second off his pace. For Super Aguri it was Takuma Sato four-tenths up on Anthony Davidson.

Rains was forecast by some for Sunday and in the evening it began to rain on Sepang, although the attention rested firmly on the FIA Stewards, who spent the early evening trying to decide whether to punish cars for getting in the way of others in Q3.

It seemed somehow inevitable that this involved the McLarens.

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Re: qualifying *possible SPOILER*
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2008, 23:19:59 »
I allways laughed off the FIA and ferrari conspiricy theory, but now im starting to wonder. I wish my Laptop wasnt an acer ferrari, I think ill tape over the label. I used to have some ferrari promo t-shirts and I used them to mop up oil in the garrage all they are good for.
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