Run your car on WATER!!

[landybabe]

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=toptona








(not sure if i should've put this in "other websites" or "alternative fuels" ???......sure mods will move it if they think so too  ;))

[Disco Matt]

Tread carefully, as I see the phrase "Browns Gas" which is often associated with perpetual motion and other scams. It might be good fun to play around with but don't shell out expecting astonishing results. Even they say (in smaller print) "run your car on water...and gas"!

[landybabe]

 :shock: :shock: Not even considering it for myself.....just wondered what other people thought  :)

[skip]

They tried a few different versions of this on MYTHBUSTERS. needless to say it is all snake oil.

The basic principle is to extract hydrogen gas from the water by using electrolosis. Then burn it in the same way as petrol.

[datalas]

Tread carefully, as I see the phrase "Browns Gas"

And why not?  he produces enough of the stuff :D

[Disco Matt]

Tread carefully, as I see the phrase "Browns Gas"

And why not?  he produces enough of the stuff :D

Yes, if we ever manage to harness this energy source then we'll never need to worry about supplies!  :lol:

[Range Rover Blues]

I was reading somewhere recently (on one of the forums) a popst from a bloke that used to race bikes, and they added water and ethanol or somesuch for a noticeable power boost.  The basic chemical equation stacks up, water is H²O, so it has more oxegen than air, just like giggle gas.

Also if you hydrolise water to get hydrogen, you can add it to deisel as a catalyst the same as you do with LPG.  There are companies around who have pattented the technology and are developing it, one of them uses a 300TDi for testing I'm told :D

[Lyndsey731]

The basic chemical equation stacks up, water is H2O, so it has more oxegen than air

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[Disco Matt]

The problem is that splitting water to release the hydrogen requires (at present) more energy than you get from burning the hydrogen. A car battery could probably produce some hydrogen but there's no way it could keep up with the demands of an engine.

[V8MoneyPit]

I was reading somewhere recently (on one of the forums) a popst from a bloke that used to race bikes, and they added water and ethanol or somesuch for a noticeable power boost. 

Water injection has been used for years in some circles. There was a race bike company down the road from us who experimented with it and found small power gains, but I don't thin k it proved commercially viable.

[discowoman]

I was reading somewhere recently (on one of the forums) a popst from a bloke that used to race bikes, and they added water and ethanol or somesuch for a noticeable power boost. 

Water injection has been used for years in some circles. There was a race bike company down the road from us who experimented with it and found small power gains, but I don't thin k it proved commercially viable.

didnt SAAB try that too??????????

[Tommo]

Water injection is the done thing on turbo stuff.

[lee celtic]

The piston engine specialist at the local airport (Caernarfon) used to put it on spitfire engines for racing planes .
He built us a set up for a GSX1229  If you mix the water with methanol it makes a big difference :twisted: and you can get several hundred boosted miles out of 1 ltr of mix it's like having a turbo running all the time . Hi Power nitrous Ltd now do a kit you can diy fit to a car or bike.

Heres more. :D
Why Water/Methanol Injection?
The primary function of water/methanol injection is to provide "chemical intercooling".

In petrol engines, as with any intercooler, this suppresses detonation so more power producing boost and timing can be utilized. Water, with its high latent heat of vaporization cools the intake charge and combustion. Methanol cools the charge and combustion but also acts like an extremely high octane fuel (some researchers claim as high as 120 octane) as well as adding more oxygen to combustion.

In diesels, the effect is three fold: 1. The intercooling effect provides for more available air and all the benefits of a higher positive pressure ratio (more power giving fuel can be utilized safely without high combustion temperatures). 2. The combustion of water provides for more power on the power stroke. 3. Methanol acts as an additional fuel for more power. 

A brief History:
Water injection was evaluated scientifically in the 1930.s by H. Ricardo who demonstrated that one can basically double the power output of an engine using water/methanol. The first widespread use was during WWII on supercharged and turbocharged aircraft. In 1942, the German Luftwaffe increased the horsepower of the Focke-Wulf 190D-9 fighter aircraft from 1776HP to 2240HP using 50/50% water/methanol injection. The allies soon followed by fitting the P51 Mustang and other high performance aircraft with water/methanol injection. Following the war, the turboprop aircraft industry used water/methanol injection and called it the "automatic power reserve system (APR)" for use in hot or high altitude take off. It surfaced again in the 60's when GM used a system on the OEM turbo Corvair. It was used effectively in Formula 1 before being banned for adding too much power.

The latest competitive use is in World Rally Racing (WRC) where virtually all teams use it in some form and in diesel truck/tractor pulling competition. It is important to note that in the fall of 2004, the long standing world record in the quarter mile for diesels was broken twice (now 7.98 sec) by two different vehicles; both using the  water/methanol injection system

[davidlandy]

I trialed a chemical that you added to the fuel that allowed you to add 10%water to diesel - it did work.  but the filters needed changing prior and after the first run as it flushed out the system. mpg suffered slightly but emissions were better, the cost of the chemical plus the mpg down meant that it was cost neutral and not worth doing.

Also confusion reigned when it came to the HMCE as they said that anything put into the tank to power the vehicle was duty'able, even water!.

see here....  http://www.lubrizol.com/press-room/news/2002/021003-purinox.asp