UFO's

[Boggert]

Ok I know this is totallyoff topic but its an interesting and can produce an interesting debate.

I know on another forumn we ran this as a poll and got some intersting results.

Yes I have seen one 29 %
No but I believe 30%
No you all nuts 41%

So do you believe in UFO's as alien craft visiting this planet. If a MOD could set up a poll that would be great.

I for one do believe in alien crafts and UFOs. Not all the rubbish that is out there but some may hold a basis of truth.

[Disco Matt]

UFOs do exist, however I feel the vast majority are prototype aircraft. Take a look at the SR-71 Blackbird for example - if you didn't know they existed and one flew over, you'd probably think it was from another planet!

[Dr Evil]

I think its got to be true, cos there are a lot of people on this forum from another planet.  :-.

[hobbit]

I think its got to be true, cos there are a lot of people on this forum from another planet.  :-.

Dunno about this forum, but you see a lot of questionable people out and about though that makes you wonder ;)

[beast5680]

dont know about UFO,s  :-.(not seen one) but there cant be just 1 planet in the universe that has life on it :-k, by all the laws of probability there has to be some more out there that havent been found yet, whether they have developed enough to be coming over to check us out or not is a subject for debate :pacman:.
the only way for it to be conclusive there is life elsewhere is for a whacking great starship to suddenly appear over the planet somewhere , this would silence the sceptics and increase sales of toilet paper as well i suspect.
Although they could already be among us????????????????

[V8MoneyPit]

..... by all the laws of probability there has to be some more out there that havent been found yet,

I always used to think that. But there are so many critical factors to create the balance that generates life as we know it, that it is actually highly unlikely that there is life elsewhere. Or, at least, the odds are hugely stacked against it.

Of course, I did use the words 'life as we know it'. Who is to say that there isn't some way of generating life other than Carbon based?
 :-k

[Wireless]

He's some light reading for those interested;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis

[Boggert]

Anyone heard of the Drake Equation?

How can we estimate the number of technological civilizations that might exist among the stars? While working as a radio astronomer at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank, West Virginia, Dr. Frank Drake (now Chairman of the Board of the SETI Institute) conceived an approach to bound the terms involved in estimating the number of technological civilizations that may exist in our galaxy. The Drake Equation, as it has become known, was first presented by Drake in 1961 and identifies specific factors thought to play a role in the development of such civilizations. Although there is no unique solution to this equation, it is a generally accepted tool used by the scientific community to examine these factors.
--Frank Drake, 1961
The equation is usually written:
N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L

Where,

N = The number of civilizations in The Milky Way Galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.

R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life.

fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.

ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.

fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.

fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.

fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.

L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.

Have a lok at this link.... http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html



Within the limits of our existing technology, any practical search for distant intelligent life must necessarily be a search for some manifestation of a distant technology. In each of its last four decadal reviews, the National Research Council has emphasized the relevance and importance of searching for evidence of the electromagnetic signature of distant civilizations.

Besides illuminating the factors involved in such a search, the Drake Equation is a simple, effective tool for stimulating intellectual curiosity about the universe around us, for helping us to understand that life as we know it is the end product of a natural, cosmic evolution, and for making us realize how much we are a part of that universe. A key goal of the SETI Institute is to further high quality research that will yield additional information related to any of the factors of this fascinating equation.

[blackbob]

if they exist WHY would they come to this planet where the Americans would shot them we would lock them up then  give them dole money or both and then we would tax them for global warming  :doh:

[Disco Matt]

There is every chance that any aliens we do manage to make contact with will be horrified by our deadly oxygen-based atmosphere!  :lol:

Seriously, while I can readily accept that there must be other life out there, I have trouble believing that they would bother to travel for light years to what is, in astronomical terms, a rather middle of the road star with some equally nondescript planets on the offchance that it holds life. You would have to get very close indeed before realising that Earth is inhabited.

This might not be a bad thing. I for one would rather that any unfriendly aliens passed by without noticing us!

[Thrasher]

There is enough man made crap in orbit around earth, beaming radio waves and generally showing technological advance. We've sent technology out amongst the stars, Voyager etc.

It'd be a safe bet that they know anyway - as it is my belief that the missing link is in fact - alien humanoid life.

Think about it, evolution *IS* evolution - i.e. thing A evolves into thing B. Thing A no longer exists.

Just take a look at the Nascom lines, the Pyramids (we can't even build to that degreee of skill NOW!) - and the rather strange cave painting, heiroglyphics etc.

Why do we think the gods come from the skies?

There is too much from our past we can't explain - the son of god heralded by a bright star? hmmmmm - maybe he was just like us but had medicine on him  :shock:

[Boggert]

There is enough man made crap in orbit around earth, beaming radio waves and generally showing technological advance. We've sent technology out amongst the stars, Voyager etc.

It'd be a safe bet that they know anyway - as it is my belief that the missing link is in fact - alien humanoid life.

Think about it, evolution *IS* evolution - i.e. thing A evolves into thing B. Thing A no longer exists.

Just take a look at the Nascom lines, the Pyramids (we can't even build to that degreee of skill NOW!) - and the rather strange cave painting, heiroglyphics etc.

Why do we think the gods come from the skies?

There is too much from our past we can't explain - the son of god heralded by a bright star? hmmmmm - maybe he was just like us but had medicine on him  :shock:

Wow Thrasher... thats just about what I think...

I do not believe our evoulition is natural, possibly been helped along.

[Rich_P]

There is enough man made crap in orbit around earth, beaming radio waves and generally showing technological advance. We've sent technology out amongst the stars, Voyager etc.

...and lets hope none of it comes back to haunt us.  :lol: Anyone remember ST: The Motion Picture?  ;)

[Disco Matt]

Certainly there are bits in various religious texts that could be taken as records of ET visiting. Problem is, they could also be interpreted as the writer having chewed some funny berries and handed the text to some dubious translators  :lol:

Not trying to offend anyone, just what I strongly suspect!

[waveydavey]

Haven't you seen MIB? All the proof you need.

[Manicminer]

Copied from a local paper -

The great UFO cover-up.
Government documents may explain 1974 Berwyn Mountains UFO mystery. Confidential MoD files on UFOs are set to be made public. Hundreds of documented sightings of UFOs across the UK will be released by the MoD to the National Archive in the coming weeks.
Among these declassified papers is expected to be evidence of a suspected UFO crash on the Berwyn Mountains near Bala 34 years ago.At 8.30pm on 23 January 1974, a large disc-like craft was seen to fall from the skies over North Wales.
Dozens of witnesses across Lancashire and Chesire phoned the police earlier that evening after seeing a strange formation of green lights flying erratically over the skies of the north-west.
At exactly 8.38pm something impacted into the Berwyn Mountains and the resulting tremor - which measured 4.5 on the Richter Scale - was felt in Wrexham, Chester, Liverpool and even some areas of Manchester.
Police immediately converged on the Berwyn Mountains, expecting to find a crashed passenger jet.
A convoy of army trucks passed through Chester that night and made their way to the epicentre of the crash site, then the army threw a cordon around the area. Even the police and crash investigators were warned off.
A nurse who lived near the scene of the impact said a flying saucer 'the size of the Albert Hall' had smashed into the mountain, throwing debris and bodies for over a mile.
She said she walked up to one of the bodies, and realised it wasn't human, but before she could describe what she had seen two Mod officials ordered her to remain silent because her comments 'would constitute a threat to national security'.
Today, no-one knows what crashed in the Welsh Mountains on that winter night in 1974; some think it was an experimental top secret military aircraft (probably a prototype Stealth bomber), others think it was an alien craft from another world. Now more light may be cast on the mystery.
A spokesman for the MoD said the soon to be declassified secret files date back more than 10 years.
He said "The files contain information about UFO sightings by members of the public and include photographs that people have taken or drawings they have done".
Earlier files released by the MoD have concluded that UFO sightings could be attributed to natural phenomena in the atmosphere.

[Bishops Finger]

UFO  .......top band :dance:

Michael Schenker went a bit doolalloy tho...f

[Thrasher]

UFO  .......top band

Saw them a few times, most recently when they re-formed with the original line up  :twisted:

[TDi90]

UFO. what a load of cack.
its just people who are god with photoshop.  :roll:

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Will this post evolve into belief in ghosts and witches? Or what about things that really don't exist, like honest politicians?
That would be something worth looking out for.

[The Ant Hill Mob]

What about the loch ness monster and Atlantis?  Or Santa Clause?

Don't think it will evolve into a debate about the Perfect Man, as he doesn't exist!!

[Thrasher]

We spend all this money looking into space, and the powers that be ignore the seas. We haven't been to the bottom, we have no idea what is down there - it's more inhospitable than space!

[kizz81]

There is too much from our past we can't explain

i still cant explain my hair  :lol:

i blame UFO's

[Boddle]

dont know about UFO,s  :-.(not seen one) but there cant be just 1 planet in the universe that has life on it :-k, by all the laws of probability there has to be some more out there that havent been found yet, whether they have developed enough to be coming over to check us out or not is a subject for debate :pacman:.
the only way for it to be conclusive there is life elsewhere is for a whacking great starship to suddenly appear over the planet somewhere , this would silence the sceptics and increase sales of toilet paper as well i suspect.
Although they could already be among us????????????????

 The Latest theories suggest that there are an infinite number of things that have to take place to get intelligent life too, that could mean there is only 1 planet in this Universe with intelligent life. Einstein's Theory of relativity could also play a part in this as E=MC^2 creates a speed limit of lightspeed for universe and we know that light can take billions of years to travel the universe so even if there is intelligent life out there it's likely to be so far away that we will never meet it.
 Is there such a thing as alien life almost certainly

 I'll get me coat

[Bush Tucker Man]

Of course, I did use the words 'life as we know it'. Who is to say that there isn't some way of generating life other than Carbon based?
 :-k

To say we're a Carbon-Based lifeform is lightly 'off the mark', as out of every 200 Atoms in our bodies;
126 are Hydrogen, 51 are Oxygen, & a mere 19 Carbon!

There is every chance that any aliens we do manage to make contact with will be horrified by our deadly oxygen-based atmosphere!  :lol:

Digressing, it would be deadly to us, if it was at a higher concentration.

I forget the exact levels, but the oxygen levels in our Cells is only roughly a tenth of the atmospheric level.
The air that we breath comprises about 80% Nitrogen (it's Nitrogen that causes 'The Bends' in divers & Caisson workers )

[beast5680]

UFO. what a load of cack.
its just people who are god with photoshop.  :roll:

god has photoshop :shock: i didnt even know he had a pc  :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Disco Matt]

UFO. what a load of cack.
its just people who are god with photoshop.  :roll:

god has photoshop :shock: i didnt even know he had a pc  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Our local Vicar recently had assorted computer problems. I remarked that it showed whose side Bill Gates is on!  :lol: :lol:

[kizz81]

Our local Vicar recently had assorted computer problems. I remarked that it showed whose side Bill Gates is on!

 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :lol:

[lee celtic]

Do I believe in;

UFO's                     = Yes but not from space.
Alian Life                = Yes but not on this planet
God                        = Nope
Loch ness monster = Nope (my theory is migrating whales,Dolfins, or large fish taking a short cut through hidden underwater passages.

Now the one that I can't make up my mind "RODS" or "Skyfish" thought to be some sort of insect that can fly faster than the human eye can see and be between 5" and 50 feet long. Well what do you think???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amnNgXRK_vo

[Disco Matt]

Air Kraken!  :lol: